Why do some posters on boxing forums..

[bojangles1987]

I'm a huge Froch fan, but anyone who says he is better than Kovalev is completely wrong.

[IronDanHamza]

Froch/Pavlik=Kovalev! I mean, really?!

Froch=Abraham.

How can Froch=Abraham when Froch white washed Abraham?

[sunny31]

I'm a huge Froch fan, but anyone who says he is better than Kovalev is completely wrong.

I always find comments like this strange and premature. Froch's career is over, he is a proven commodity, he basically fought everyone, he is a HOF'er in waiting. Kovalev has 2 good wins over two faded guys in Pascal and Hopkins.

Also when you say he is better what do you mean exactly? Do you mean head to head? These guys didn't fight in the same weight class, so do you think Kovalev is a better 175lber than Froch was a 168lber?

The problems with comparisons like this, is that Kovalev's shortcomings haven't really been exposed yet, Froch's have, basically because he fought at a high level for a number of years. Does Kovalev do some things better than Froch? For sure yes. He is technically a better boxer, he has better footwork, and obviously a better puncher, but honestly, you could say the same about lots of the fighters Froch faced from Pascal on. Did they all beat him? Nope.

Time will tell if you are correct, but I will leave it with this. Had Froch fought Kovalev, we would have seen what Kovalev was made of, that is for sure. Carl Froch to me was the ultimate truth machine. As a boxer, if you were wanting in any area, Froch would find it for sure. You couldn't kid your way through a Carl Froch fight, you had to tick all the boxes to compete with him. The intangibles are what made him special, and its hard to measure a fighter like that.

Anyway in a few short weeks we will know a lot more about Kovalev.

[REMOVE SHARK 55]

1g5a22 I'm the only person on Boxing Scene that made a thread about Carl Froch being a better win than Kovalev. I put up a poll and the majority of NSB agreed with you that Kovalev would be a better win because he's a better fighter.

I'm a Brit & Carl Froch is one of the best fighters off these Islands EVER, there's no shame in being behind Carl. If Kovalev were to retire after the Ward fight he could probably lace up Frochs left glove but he's banned from touching his right.

[b00g13man]

I dont get why GGG fans are so threatened by this fight..all they do is complain

I've never seen anything like it.

[BillyBoxing]

nah I doN't agree with this, you read too much into beatig lower level opponents more impressively than how the other defeated higher level ones.

Froch defeated a prime version of Pascal, Kovalev defeated a past prime. Dirrell was a controversial and hard fight for Froch but also a better opponent than Cleverly and the versions of Pascal and B-Hop who Kovalev has beaten.

Kessler is also better than any of those wins. Also Froch's Bute win was nice, since Bute was regarded as some monster by some back then... lol

I didn't say with a word that Froch wo all his fights easly I said nobody should state that Kovalev s the better fighter until he didn't beat the level of opponents Froch beat, even if Froch beat them hardly sometimes.

I'd put them about the same level btw just different styles, different strengths, different weightclasses.

Fighters who yet have to lose their "0" often looks more untouchable and better than more proven fighters who are already retired or they are at the end of their career cause since they usually(not always) faced top level opponents more times, their weaknesses and flaws more known and more exposed to the public than the fighters' with a clean sheets who usually are less proven yet.
When it will be all said and done I think all time Kovalev will be rated somewhere where Froch is rated it's just that since he didn't lose yet against the level of opponents he fought (which is not bad at all but also not elite) Kovalev's flaws aren't that exposed to the public.

There are exceptions though, the very best of fighters.



E.g: We know what were RJJ's weaknesses already but nobody would seriously put Kovalev ahead of him cause RJJ in his prime was arguably the best ever...

or with "0" fighters we all know that Mayweather didn't keep that 0 cause he didn't prove himself but because he was a truly great fighter who could keep that 0 with proving himself against some of the bests and we still don't know (and probably never will) his main flaws cause there weren't any significant.


of course I ca be wrong and Kovalev can go on being an ATG but I just doubt he has that amount of talent to be honest.

It's not about ATGness, I think Kovalev would beat Froch, because he's a better boxer puncher than Froch was.

Don't slip on Nathan, Cleverly is twice a wolrd champ, he stopped him in few rounds, dropped him with a jab to the body if I'm remembering well.

[1g5a22]

How can Froch=Abraham when Froch white washed Abraham?

Style of fighter. Froch=Kessler too. Fairly ID, fairly flat footed (though Kessler had a bit of bounce in his younger days) upright, move in straight lines, predictable. Froch was also ponder-some & struggled to adapt to boxers but had a warriors heart & instinct which was able to overcome most of the time. Guys like Calzaghe, Ward, Hopkins & Kovalev would have his number ALWAYS!

[M Bison]

Compare Kovalev to Pavlik & Froch? During the build up to Bhop i routinely read Kovalev was just another Pavlik! Now Ward is happening i keep reading he's not even as good as Froch! Froch has been routinely out-boxed (I can only imagine what Kovalev would do to the likes of Taylor, Dirrell, Kessler, Groves, Magee.. All men who have made Carl earn his pay!) & is as flat footed as they come! Even ponder-some! Ward beat Froch at 168 half a decade ago! You think this is going to be a replica? What are you on? LOL

Pavlik got torn up by Martinez & Bhop & was about as disciplined a human being as Fury & Cooney! If Kovalev is anything he is a bigger/better punching & stronger chinned Sergio Martinez! Don't get me wrong, no shame in being compared to Froch & Martinez (great champions) but they are ID fighters & neither have the skill-set or natural assets of Kovalev!

I mean do some of you people even know that Dale Westerman bashed Froch around? I love Carl but he's not s good as Kovalev. He has immense heart & a champions will to win but he's Ricky Hatton with a nose job! You are comparing him because he's white! Admit it some of you? You kid yourselves into thinking that Kovalev plays & fits into your long held stiff/upright euro type fighter cliche (some of you people need to drop these long held stereo-types because Lomachenko, Kovalev, Usyk, Calzaghe, Pirog & even Gololvkin have far more to there game! You'll see...AGAIN! )

Combine Tszyu & Martinez & you get Kovalev! You don't get Froch or Pavlik!

What is crazy for me is how people think the winner of this fight is somehow the P4P #1 even after saying the type of stuff you mentioned, absolutely crazy!
Ward has done nothing relevant and his resume is bloated beyond all realms of reality and Kovalev whilst absolutely is talented and gifted he hasn't fought better than GGG maybe you can say otherwise after he has fought Ward.

I'd also like to take a moment to mention that people who bash Kelly Pavlik conveniently say he would beat Golovkin, Mr.One Dimensional Ameribum suddenly could beat everyone at 160 just because people now know he is one and done and the safe fact that they will never have a true way to find out what Kelly would have done in a much stronger 160 division no mistake about it Kelly fought in a very abysmal division at the time of his reign apart from prime Martinez.

Kelly Pavlik and Carl Froch are limited as fxck maybe Ward fans want to demean Kovalev as much as possible so If Ward wins we can rightfully say well it wasn't that good of a win anyway because you said it yourself he isn't that good.

[1g5a22]

Froch was proven against more serous opponents before the Ward fight than Kovalev

Can't see why the comparison can't be valid

Kovalev fans who think that based on his achievements Kovalev is a clearly higher tier fighter than Froch are delusional.

Just because one of them KOs more people and seems to be technically more textbook doesn't mean that he is actually better.

Froch is a proven fighter, with a great career. Froch's 3 best wins are probably better than any wins of Kovalev.
That's nt a knock on Kovalev, don't get me wrong, but it's true

Stylistically they are different, sure, but in level I'm not so sure that they are far fro each other.

All the Ward fanboys pretending to be a fan of Froch:



RE: The bold statement.. You wanna bet your account that Kovalev does better against Ward than Froch?

[1g5a22]

I get sick of hearing about froch too...if he was on ggg's resume instead of ward's, he'd be a bum.

Ward fanboys in the run up to Froch fight.. That bum got schooled by Dirrell & Taylor, he ain't ****! Flat footed eurobum. Ward beats him.. Froch is without doubt the greatest fighter bar Ward! LOL