Comments Thread For: Video: Virgil Hunter on GGG-Brook, Ward's Career, Crawford

[aboutfkntime]

Golovkin doesn't even know you exist..... so, why lie ?

What the fk is wrong with you guys ?

[ssc73]

Another blatant bare-faced revisionist LIAR !

You creepy ****s couldn't lie straight in bed.

Every member of Team Bull**** made that demand, including Golovkin himself.

And btw, Dirty Sanchez made you fanboys look REAL DUMB when he categorically denied demanding a 164 catchweight from Ward about 2 months ago LMAO

And yep, just ask me..... I got links proving that.....

1) Ward wanted a tuneup before Smith, not after..... following the Smith fight he was good to go

2) the 164lb catchweight demand was designed to kill Wards FIRST offer (June/July 2015), and was made by every member of Team Bull**** including lil'G himself

3) it was Wards 2nd offer to Golovkin via Roc Nation (September 2015)..... that was turned down in 36 minutes flat with..... "maybe 2017"

4) Dirty Sanchez LIED, and denied demanding 164

ALL on record, and all EASILY verifiable via a simple google search

Golovkin doesn't even know you exist..... so, why lie ?

This isn't just to you, but you seem to be the most anti-Golvkin/Pro-Canelo guy on here:

First of all.......I am a fan of both Ward and Golovkin..........WAS beginning to be a fan of Canelo until he continued to only fight guys he'd have a SUBSTANTIAL functional weight advantage against......

Second, Golovkin's team was testing the water with possible opponents at 168 BEFORE 2015......late 2013 to early 2014. How do I know? First, the fights they were looking for, in order, were Froch, Chavez Jr. and Kessler. It was right after Froch-Kessler and before Froch-Groves and then again after that fight and around the same time as Chavez Jr vs Vera. That's when Ward was initially irritated and the squabbles started.

Third, when Hunter says it's not much difference now? He means THIS YEAR....Ward won the Gold Medal at LHW, fighting at 172 pounds, (below the limit). So he was between classes out of the amateurs. But with day before weighins, obviously he was a better fit for 168. He's obviously reached a point where cutting to 168 is more difficult and after adding weight to get to LHW, near impossible.

Yes the final attempt to secure a fight with GGG and Ward was last year. Then Ward moved on. Prior to that, there would logically be a weight difference between them of about ten pounds. Golovkin stated that in Ward's case, the weight would have to be closer given the talent difference Ward had proven between himself and the 'contenders' at 168. He has been misrepresented by the whole '154-168' BS since it started, maintaing that his ultimate goal is to unify at MW. You can't do that easily jumping around weights as often as he fights. He also said he would likely not use the full 168 limit vs Froch or Chavez Jr. He didn't feel he needed it.

Now, and unfortunately for Ward rightfully being pissed and Golovkin rightfully irritated by words put in his mouth, they may never fight. If they do, it will now be some time since Golovkin will likely not skip 168 and Ward won't go back......

As for Canelo, why would Golovkin concede to a catch-weight vs a fighter who is going to enter the ring heavier with or without that catch-weight? And Golovkin himself said the only fighter he would meet at 154 would be vs Mayweather-no titles........his team may have said more to see what kind of bites they would get.......but I highly doubt he had much interest save for that one fight. And it's obvious why.....$$$$

One thing Golovkin himself has been VERY CLEAR ON, if you want to fight for the MW title, it must be at 160. Did Canelo offer to fight without a title on the line in a contract? No. And even if he did, if GGG agreed to a lower weight, I'm sure he'd expect Canelo to agree to a max weight. Should be fair, right? Canelo has the weight advantage on fight night now weighing 5 pounds less. So why not fight at the full limit?

Canelo is the one acting like a pure chump. Let's put it like this: If Golovkin were to agree to a 157 weight for the MW title, do you think Canelo would agree to a maximum hydration of 168??

What's a few pounds......right??

Wait, I remembered something-168 also happens to be the limit Canelo agreed to vs Floyd and vowed to never make that mistake again....and no surprise, he hasn't allowed himself to be weighed on fight night since. Before that, he averaged 174. GGG average 172. You think Canelo comes in less after his 'lesson' since 18 pounds wasn't enough last time?? No way in HELL!!

SMDH......the most obvious duck in the sport is Canelo avoiding Golovkin. How Brook is a lesson to Golovkin and not Canelo? That's beyond me and makes no sense at all.

I wish they would go back to same day weigh-ins. No way Canelo would be even a MW.......he'd be lucky to be a SMW, where I am sure Golovkin would likely fight.

Canelo, after all his badass talk, balked. They never made an attempt at an offer except for their supposed agreement to fight 'sometime' in 2017. That is 3x Canelo has avoided the fight sooner rather than later. His team is hoping GGG slips. Until recently, I thought Canelo really wanted the fight. He doesn't. He knows he'll get wrecked and to return a whole pound south to blow back up to 175 and beat Liam Smith?? Why not take one of the tougher fighters at the weight?? I mean he is really just a JMW, right????

What is the richest possible fight in boxing?? Canelo vs GGG. Why would you not want to make that fight? When he fought Floyd, Lara and Trout, it wasn't about physical risk. It was about looking bad. This time around, the physical risk is what has them running. If that weren't true, and Canelo was so certain of his ability, we'd be getting ready for one helluva fall of fight season.

The Bottom Line? The biggest fight in boxing is not happening because Canelo is afraid. You can create all the other storylines you like. You can say Sanchez or Loeffler said this or that........If Canelo truly believed he could win, he'd do what he has done in the past, ignore his promoters advice, 'not **** around' and take the damn fight now. He's shown essentially no interest in that after all his tough-guy talk........yet he was willing to fight basically anyone else 160 or below.

Now they're hoping GGG opts for 168 so they can avoid it all together.....
Given Canelo already has a weight advantage on fight night, where is the problem??

Provide all the links you want. Canelo wants NOTHING to do with GGG as it now stands. He keeps waiting to see a weakness that he can exploit. He doesn't have the skill or nutz to try himself apparently. He was hoping someone else would do that for him....that won't happen either......

There is one reason and one reason only Canelo and his team keep saying 'maybe in a year'....and one reason only. And to all but the rabid loyalists, it's obvious......

So much for Mexican Machismo...............

[aboutfkntime]

This isn't just to you, but you seem to be the most anti-Golvkin/Pro-Canelo guy on here:.....

Nah, I just keep it real.....

Canelo was lame and unprofessional for fighting at 155.

He should have more respect for his opponents.

That was b1tch-made.

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First of all.......I am a fan of both Ward and Golovkin..........WAS beginning to be a fan of Canelo until he continued to only fight guys he'd have a SUBSTANTIAL functional weight advantage against......

Second, Golovkin's team was testing the water with possible opponents at 168 BEFORE 2015......late 2013 to early 2014. How do I know? First, the fights they were looking for, in order, were Froch, Chavez Jr. and Kessler. It was right after Froch-Kessler and before Froch-Groves and then again after that fight and around the same time as Chavez Jr vs Vera. That's when Ward was initially irritated and the squabbles started.

Third, when Hunter says it's not much difference now? He means THIS YEAR....Ward won the Gold Medal at LHW, fighting at 172 pounds, (below the limit). So he was between classes out of the amateurs. But with day before weighins, obviously he was a better fit for 168. He's obviously reached a point where cutting to 168 is more difficult and after adding weight to get to LHW, near impossible.

Yes the final attempt to secure a fight with GGG and Ward was last year. Then Ward moved on. Prior to that, there would logically be a weight difference between them of about ten pounds. Golovkin stated that in Ward's case, the weight would have to be closer given the talent difference Ward had proven between himself and the 'contenders' at 168. He has been misrepresented by the whole '154-168' BS since it started, maintaing that his ultimate goal is to unify at MW. You can't do that easily jumping around weights as often as he fights. He also said he would likely not use the full 168 limit vs Froch or Chavez Jr. He didn't feel he needed it.

Now, and unfortunately for Ward rightfully being pissed and Golovkin rightfully irritated by words put in his mouth, they may never fight. If they do, it will now be some time since Golovkin will likely not skip 168 and Ward won't go back......

As for Canelo, why would Golovkin concede to a catch-weight vs a fighter who is going to enter the ring heavier with or without that catch-weight? And Golovkin himself said the only fighter he would meet at 154 would be vs Mayweather-no titles........his team may have said more to see what kind of bites they would get.......but I highly doubt he had much interest save for that one fight. And it's obvious why.....$$$$

One thing Golovkin himself has been VERY CLEAR ON, if you want to fight for the MW title, it must be at 160. Did Canelo offer to fight without a title on the line in a contract? No. And even if he did, if GGG agreed to a lower weight, I'm sure he'd expect Canelo to agree to a max weight. Should be fair, right? Canelo has the weight advantage on fight night now weighing 5 pounds less. So why not fight at the full limit?

Canelo is the one acting like a pure chump. Let's put it like this: If Golovkin were to agree to a 157 weight for the MW title, do you think Canelo would agree to a maximum hydration of 168??

What's a few pounds......right??

Wait, I remembered something-168 also happens to be the limit Canelo agreed to vs Floyd and vowed to never make that mistake again....and no surprise, he hasn't allowed himself to be weighed on fight night since. Before that, he averaged 174. GGG average 172. You think Canelo comes in less after his 'lesson' since 18 pounds wasn't enough last time?? No way in HELL!!

SMDH......the most obvious duck in the sport is Canelo avoiding Golovkin. How Brook is a lesson to Golovkin and not Canelo? That's beyond me and makes no sense at all.

I wish they would go back to same day weigh-ins. No way Canelo would be even a MW.......he'd be lucky to be a SMW, where I am sure Golovkin would likely fight.

Canelo, after all his badass talk, balked. They never made an attempt at an offer except for their supposed agreement to fight 'sometime' in 2017. That is 3x Canelo has avoided the fight sooner rather than later. His team is hoping GGG slips. Until recently, I thought Canelo really wanted the fight. He doesn't. He knows he'll get wrecked and to return a whole pound south to blow back up to 175 and beat Liam Smith?? Why not take one of the tougher fighters at the weight?? I mean he is really just a JMW, right????

What is the richest possible fight in boxing?? Canelo vs GGG. Why would you not want to make that fight? When he fought Floyd, Lara and Trout, it wasn't about physical risk. It was about looking bad. This time around, the physical risk is what has them running. If that weren't true, and Canelo was so certain of his ability, we'd be getting ready for one helluva fall of fight season.

The Bottom Line? The biggest fight in boxing is not happening because Canelo is afraid. You can create all the other storylines you like. You can say Sanchez or Loeffler said this or that........If Canelo truly believed he could win, he'd do what he has done in the past, ignore his promoters advice, 'not **** around' and take the damn fight now. He's shown essentially no interest in that after all his tough-guy talk........yet he was willing to fight basically anyone else 160 or below.

Now they're hoping GGG opts for 168 so they can avoid it all together.....
Given Canelo already has a weight advantage on fight night, where is the problem??

Provide all the links you want. Canelo wants NOTHING to do with GGG as it now stands. He keeps waiting to see a weakness that he can exploit. He doesn't have the skill or nutz to try himself apparently. He was hoping someone else would do that for him....that won't happen either......

There is one reason and one reason only Canelo and his team keep saying 'maybe in a year'....and one reason only. And to all but the rabid loyalists, it's obvious......

So much for Mexican Machismo...............

I didn't read the quote above.

There was no point, considering you got the premise wrong.

I am not a huge Canelo fan.

[aboutfkntime]

Golovkin is being held accountable for his words/actions.

Mostly his words, because there has been very little action.

Oh, and btw..... an adult human being is 100% responsible - and therefore 100% accountable - for the words/actions of his OFFICIAL representatives..... so aside from the fact that Golovkin made all of those "anyone from 154-168" promises himself, Gennady also heard every single word that his PR clowns trumpeted..... and he happily played along, until it came time to live up to that schtick.

Mr " anyone from 154-168 " has now decided to focus on a DEAD middleweight division because Ward punked him away from 168 and Canelo punked him away from 154.

[ssc73]

Golovkin is being held accountable for his words/actions.

Mostly his words, because there has been very little action.

Oh, and btw..... an adult human being is 100% responsible - and therefore 100% accountable - for the words/actions of his OFFICIAL representatives..... so aside from the fact that Golovkin made all of those "anyone from 154-168" promises himself, Gennady also heard every single word that his PR clowns trumpeted..... and he happily played along, until it came time to live up to that schtick.

Mr " anyone from 154-168 " has now decided to focus on a DEAD middleweight division because Ward punked him away from 168 and Canelo punked him away from 154.

Canelo did not punk him away from 154. That's absolutely ridiculous. Golovkin's lowest weight has been 157......and he averages 172 on fight night. There was never any discussion about a fight at that weight (154) between the two and GGG has NO INTEREST in any active fighter at 154.

Canelo thought he'd be able to pay to get GGG to agree to 155 so he would have an even bigger weight advantage for the full MW title.....that was the issue........Golovkin has been very consistent about MW title fights.....160 or nothing.

And his 'reps' have said '154-168' for the right opponent at the right $$. Not for any interest in any titles, not for any and all challengers at the weights and certainly not at 155 for the MW title. And given Canelo's metabolism in his mid-20's allows him to come in well over 170, that's not the 'right opponent'....Canelo was the sole *****-made punk in that situation.....thought we agreed on that??

I've explained Golovkin's own position on the whole 154-168 thing too many times to do it again. But when discussing it in an interview in his first language, when they said 154, Golovkin had one opponent and one opponent only in mind for that fight. He's retired now. That is from Golovkin's mouth in his native language. He felt that given Floyd is legitimatley a WW and he is a MW, meeting in the middle for that kind of money and the status and attention that fight would draw would make sense........and he also stressed it would not interest him for that to be a title fight.

The Ward situation is similar. When asked about Ward at 168 in the beginning, Golovkin freely admitted he wasn't ready back in 2012. When more recently presented with a fight at 168, he wasn't ready to leave MW for good, hadn't accomplished his goal, and would be happy to fight Ward at 164 if Ward didn't want to wait until he had finished his unification at 160. When asked why he'd be willing to fight Froch or Chavez Jr. at 168 but not Ward? His answer was pretty simple.........the difference in talent level. Just as he would be willing to cut weight to fight Floyd for no title and meet in the middle, he would fight Ward between weight classes so that returning to MW wouldn't be an issue........why 164? That is highest he'd come in vs Froch or Chavez Jr as well regardless of their weight. So it was essentially the same thing he was going to do with them, but given Ward was on a higher skill level, wanted it to be a more even fight......pretty simple when it's not taken out of context..

I really wish I could find that interview........it makes perfect sense when fully explained. He also said that Sanchez and Loeffler were basically doing their jobs to see what interest was out there and to try to get the biggest fights possible in between MW title fights.

And trust me, I'm not an apologist for GGG. But I was a fan of Hagler and understood why he never went to 175......the biggest paydays were still growing into his weight class when he was younger than GGG. Hopkins also refused to meet Jones at 168 in arguably an even weaker MW division than there is today for the ultimate 'who's the best' of that time and despite Hopkins being able to make his career high purse if he had gone to 168.......but he was never called a chump, bum, ducker, etc. He's celebrated for breaking Monzon's record even though he did NOTHING to even attempt to unify for YEARS until the perfect smaller opponent came along ......

There's nothing wrong with wanting to unify or staying at your best weight. The amount of classes and belts make it seem that it's a requirement to win at multiple weights to be great. That's a crock. And there's also nothing wrong with waiting for the biggest fight in boxing for a while longer while you try to get that last belt......and while doing so, hope some of the other guys like Jacobs, Korobov, Lee, etc., are willing to step up.

But I have a feeling that if Saunders won't take the fight soon and Canelo doesn't fight him by next year, he'll take a few fights at 168 to try and get Degale before going after the Ward-Kovalev winner.........or both. I think Ward beats him at any weight. I think he gives Ward a tougher fight than Kovalev and as good as either of those fights would be, Kovalev-Golovkin would be truly classic and I'm a fan of all three.......GGG has sparred with Kovalev and from every account I've heard, had little trouble. He also routinely drops cruiserweights with body shots.........but actually afraid of Ward or Canelo?? Get real.......

If there are only a few guys that are absolutely not affraid to fight anyone, GGG (300+ amateur fights, five total losses), Ward (undefeated pro and am) and Kovalev would be them. I don't think they're afraid of anyone. They're just pugilists...you know, PRIZE fighters.........

But honestly if you think about it, professional fighters fight. They aren't affraid to do it. Rarely is there any real 'ducking'. It's usually about timing or scheduling, etc.......It is happening now in one case........ But certainly not by Golovkin.

Canelo is the only one quacking right now.......