Could a Prime "Lights Out" Clean Out current 160-175lb's?

[elgu]

GGG's best win....is MARTIN MURRAY....what about that can you not comprehend. Toney would have knocked that clown out in a couple rounds. GGG IS the inferior fighter Toney would be facing. He's a midget next to Toney who has taken HW punches just fine. Roy is literally thousands of times better than that bum beater. Montell Griffin alone is like 10 times the fighter Curtis Stevens is. I'd pick him to beat GGG. Eubank, Benn would all trash him. He has no hand speed and no defense....wake the fu(k up.

You are a fool, a stain on boxing fans. Go play with traffic you insufferable clown.

What sport do you watch?
Hand speed isn't necessary when you have other attributes such as timing and a good jab.
It's not that GGG has no defense its that he trusts his chin against certain fighters. Put a guy like Lemieux in front of him and GGG defense improves dramatically.
Montell Griffin is just about a notch better than Andre Direll(speed, sneaky reflexes,and good boxing skills) and GGG beat him soundly in the olympics rematch and would take his soul as a pro.
Even then Griffin is better than Toney.

There's nothing Toney will bring that will bother GGG enough to win.

[PivotandRoll]

What sport do you watch?
Hand speed isn't necessary when you have other attributes such as timing and a good jab.
It's not that GGG has no defense its that he trusts his chin against certain fighters. Put a guy like Lemieux in front of him and GGG defense improves dramatically.
Montell Griffin is just about a notch better than Andre Direll(speed, sneaky reflexes,and good boxing skills) and GGG beat him soundly in the olympics rematch and would take his soul as a pro.
Even then Griffin is better than Toney.

There's nothing Toney will bring that will bother GGG enough to win.

Hand Speed isn't important against James Toney?? Are you trolling or what?

Where was his defense when Stevens was back him up making him square up? Seriously there's levels to boxing. You're whole argument is that Toney won't perform. That is how thin it is. Maybe a better comparison will be available if GGG moves up.

Now you're bringing up amateur fights??

You clearly never watched the Griffin-Toney fights....

[PivotandRoll]

Let that GGG hate flow through you. He will just keep on winning and making you look bad.

I don't hate GGG, I hate Hypeboys like you. He's a good fighter, great power, great punch delivery. Slow feet, minimal head movement. Good Jab, knows how to trade punches and believes his will win and because of his power they usually do. Yet to fight anyone special, or with a gameplan but if you feel that makes him world class whatever.

I'd actually really like to see him move up and use some of the skills I see him practice in training. Stuff he did in earlier fights off the back foot.

GGG reminds me of 140 Cotto...except if Cotto never stepped up in competition from the Randal Bailey's of the world let alone up a weight class.

[IronDanHamza]

Hand Speed isn't important against James Toney?? Are you trolling or what?

Where was his defense when Stevens was back him up making him square up? Seriously there's levels to boxing. You're whole argument is that Toney won't perform. That is how thin it is. Maybe a better comparison will be available if GGG moves up.

Now you're bringing up amateur fights??

You clearly never watched the Griffin-Toney fights....

Slow fighters beat and troubled Toney.

Numerous examples.

[screwhead1]

Gotta remember what kind of fighter he was. Pure as hell and could work you inside and outside the pocket. He'd destroy GGG. Ward, however, I think is a different beast. He just makes it difficult for anyone to maintain a range. Not saying Ward would win but I'd assume it to be an awkward fight.

[IronDanHamza]

Ward would cause him the most problems..

Toney would straight up bomb golovkin's head off.. It would be an utter massacre.


Kovolev is tailor made for james

Stevenson would get knocked out cold by a brutal counter...

Toney brutalises GGG, Kovalev's tailor made for him and Stevenson gets brutally KO'd yet Toney can't even comfortably beat Dave Tiberi, Merqui Sosa, Sanderline Williams and the list goes on.

Toney is the greatest "fantasy" fighter of all time.

[IronDanHamza]

Nah, too inconsistent to 'clean out' one of those divisions let alone three. He can compete with anyone in a single fight but for someone who is known for being inconsistent I wouldn't back him to dominate a division.

Absolute truth.

Undeniable truth.

Toney doesn't have it in his locker to clean out a divison let alone multiple ones.

It wouldn't shock me if Fonfora beat Toney.

[elgu]

I don't hate GGG, I hate Hypeboys like you. He's a good fighter, great power, great punch delivery. Slow feet, minimal head movement. Good Jab, knows how to trade punches and believes his will win and because of his power they usually do. Yet to fight anyone special, or with a gameplan but if you feel that makes him world class whatever.

I'd actually really like to see him move up and use some of the skills I see him practice in training. Stuff he did in earlier fights off the back foot.

GGG reminds me of 140 Cotto...except if Cotto never stepped up in competition from the Randal Bailey's of the world let alone up a weight class.

GGG has two things Cotto wishes he had.... stamina and an iron chin.

[elgu]

Hand Speed isn't important against James Toney?? Are you trolling or what?

Where was his defense when Stevens was back him up making him square up? Seriously there's levels to boxing. You're whole argument is that Toney won't perform. That is how thin it is. Maybe a better comparison will be available if GGG moves up.

Now you're bringing up amateur fights??

You clearly never watched the Griffin-Toney fights....

He didn't respect Stevens power, just his left hook and he didn't take that many of them.

My argument isn't that Toney won't perform. It's just that GGG equals him in power, stamina, and chin. Toney might be faster but GGG has a better jab which will win him the fight.

[bojangles1987]

Toney was prone to close, hard fights against lesser fighters than Golovkin, Ward, or Kovalev. I don't think it is a certainty that he beats them. He certainly could, though. So who knows? He might blank Golovkin and lose to James DeGale somehow.