Would Wilder have fought povetkin last year knowing he was taking melodium ?

[ИATAS]

Marijuana is legal in Colorado....if you test positive for 70 nanograms of it guess what...you still wont get the job..alcohol is legal and if you test positive for it..you wont get the job....stop making excuses for Povetkin man

lol depends entirely on the job.

I think what OP was saying is that if they made this fight last year, the fight would happen and the banned substance would be perfectly legit last year. There would have been no issues whatsoever.

Obviously it's not anymore since January of this year and that's the obvious problem here and now. Team Povetkin screwed up, it's all on him, he should be punished, etc. But it's still interesting to think about that a regularly used substance for 45 years which was accepted by drug agencies as being OK to take is now not OK to take and therefor a difference of 1-year changes massively in the perception of Povetkin! Crazy isn't it? This fight happens in December 2015 - Povetkin - clean fighter. May of 2016 - he's a cheater. That's a dramatic difference!

Makes you wonder what other stuff will be banned in the future that is legal right now. Most all fighters take supplements and various things during training and more often than not, it's because they are trying to stay fit, trying to be strong and healthy, give them a mental and/or physical boost during training, not because they want to cheat but because they want to work hard. Well, your regular diet today could have banned substances in it a couple years down the road.

[Fetta]

He would have fought him then and now but the WBC made the choice to cancel fight cause many (WBC, VADA, Team Wilder) thought he tried to cheat after Jan and you can throw my name into that mix too.

[Fury4daWIN]

Marijuana is legal in Colorado....if you test positive for 70 nanograms of it guess what...you still wont get the job..alcohol is legal and if you test positive for it..you wont get the job....stop making excuses for Povetkin man

The effects of those drugs is well known to impair performance. If you're going for a job which required hand-eye coordination and large degrees of concentration then it makes sense.

Even so, I don't know of any regular jobs that will refuse to take you on if you 'test positive' for 70 nanograms of alcohol. What the hell kind of jobs are those? Alcohol rehabilitation officer?

[Larry the boss]

The effects of those drugs is well known to impair performance. If you're going for a job which required hand-eye coordination and large degrees of concentration then it makes sense.

Even so, I don't know of any regular jobs that will refuse to take you on if you 'test positive' for 70 nanograms of alcohol. What the hell kind of jobs are those? Alcohol rehabilitation officer?

No job will hire you if you test positive for alcohol period....you know why?? because alcohols comes out of your system with in hours so that means you were drinking on the way to the test

[Fury4daWIN]

No job will hire you if you test positive for alcohol period....you know why?? because alcohols comes out of your system with in hours so that means you were drinking on the way to the test

An what's that got to do with meldonium?

[j0zef]

I don't think meldonium makes an ounce of difference in either case. It was legal for 50 years for a reason. It has some performance enhancing properties, just like a million things that are still legal and used by both russian and western athletes. But it's no steroid.

Wilder is blameless in the whole situation, but this is a real downer for the fans. The reason I say that is because Povetkin is dangerous. Wilder's team knows this, and they've kept him away from dangerous opponents his whole career. This Meldonium situation is their golden ticket out of Povetkin mandatory.

[Fetta]

I don't think meldonium makes an ounce of difference in either case. It was legal for 50 years for a reason. It has some performance enhancing properties, just like a million things that are still legal and used by both russian and western athletes. But it's no steroid.

Wilder is blameless in the whole situation, but this is a real downer for the fans. The reason I say that is because Povetkin is dangerous. Wilder's team knows this, and they've kept him away from dangerous opponents his whole career. This Meldonium situation is their golden ticket out of Povetkin mandatory.

Thats just dumb. Povetkin is the one who never wanted this fight by continuing to push fight back and then tried to cheat when it arrived.

Maybe he saw this as a way out and avoid being KO'd in front of his whole country

[Fury4daWIN]

lol depends entirely on the job.

I think what OP was saying is that if they made this fight last year, the fight would happen and the banned substance would be perfectly legit last year. There would have been no issues whatsoever.

Obviously it's not anymore since January of this year and that's the obvious problem here and now. Team Povetkin screwed up, it's all on him, he should be punished, etc. But it's still interesting to think about that a regularly used substance for 45 years which was accepted by drug agencies as being OK to take is now not OK to take and therefor a difference of 1-year changes massively in the perception of Povetkin! Crazy isn't it? This fight happens in December 2015 - Povetkin - clean fighter. May of 2016 - he's a cheater. That's a dramatic difference!

Makes you wonder what other stuff will be banned in the future that is legal right now. Most all fighters take supplements and various things during training and more often than not, it's because they are trying to stay fit, trying to be strong and healthy, give them a mental and/or physical boost during training, not because they want to cheat but because they want to work hard. Well, your regular diet today could have banned substances in it a couple years down the road.

That's the scary thing. As a professional athlete, you could be taking any number of things right this moment which are perfectly legal under anti-doping guidelines and find yourself this time next year a ****** drugs-cheat, simply because of a change in policy. What's the solution? Avoid taking anything which might potentially be banned in the future? How are you supposed to know that? Take nothing at all? But then you're not giving yourself the best opportunities to succeed. Or continue to take whatever you can get away with and hope for the best? That seems to be the most popular option athletes are going with these days.

[j0zef]

Thats just dumb. Povetkin is the one who never wanted this fight by continuing to push fight back and then tried to cheat when it arrived

Errr.. No. Why the hell wouldn't Povetkin want Wilder? Povetkin is 36 already, and Wilder's the weakest HW champ. He's prime target.

And think about the Meldonium situation. His camp probably was delaying the fight because they knew he would test positive for Meldonium since he definitely took in 2015. It wasn't even a question. They thought it would be out of the system by May thus tried to push the fight off.

As for 'trying to cheat', that's heavily arguable. None of us on these boards know what actually happened. Here's what we know:
-Povetkin tested for Meldonium.
-WBC postponed the fight.
-VADA has stated that concentration of less than 1000 nanogram in any test taken BEFORE March 1st is due to intake in 2015 and thus is not considered cheating.

Here's what we are told (this info could be false):
-Meldonium concentration was 70 nanograms.
-Povetkin tested clean 3 times before in early April

Assuming all the info above is actually true, that means he somehow tested dirty for very small amounts after testing clean. I'm gonna borrow next part from another thread:

There are a couple of possibilities of what actually happened:

1. He knowingly and willfully took Meldonium
2. He unknowingly took Meldonium, and someone on his team gave it to him.
3. He unknowingly took Meldonium, and it was an accident by his team member, such as using an old water bottle or mixing in an old pill
4. His physical condition affected his test. Athletes at the end of the training usually carry less water weight, which makes it easier to detect low concentrations of drugs.
5. Wilder's team framed Povetkin oneoneoneone!!!

People on NSB will follow with whatever suits their agenda. All the white supremacists will claim #5, all pro black fans will claim #1.

The intelligent people are gonna shut their traps and wait for more information. My hypothesis is either 3 or 4. But again, I'm just guessing.

And if you think I'm some Povetkin excuser like the /// dude.. I'm not. I don't like neither Wilder nor Povetkin. But I was really looking forward to their fight.

[torosboxing75]

It was legal last year so of course they would have fought.