Comments Thread For: 30 Day Weights: Gennady Golovkin 164, Dominic Wade 175.6

[Larry the boss]

The fighters are still subjected to drug testing by the Commision.

So now commission testing is again good enough?

[ИATAS]

I think he'll push 155 as long as the GGG fight is up in the air. I think he probably wasn't having THAT much trouble making 154 & making 155 isn't THAT much easier right now,

Well, the last time he attempted to fight at 154 pounds was the Angulo fight where Canelo was forced to give Angulo $100,000 for not being cable to make 154, so I'd argue he was having trouble. He also tried to negotiate the Cotto figth at 156 pounds which only adds further evidence.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if he fails to come in at 155 one of these times (whether it's Khan or if he takes another fight after).

[Larry the boss]

1. VADA
2. Commission
3. USADA

USADA is **** and utterly corrupt. They shouldn't even be in the discussion.

So why were ya'll crying all those times saying there was no proof of USADA testing Floyd? The commission still tested him as well RIGHT???

[Scipio2009]

His last fight would have created more revenue if his fans stayed at home and bought the PPV, $20 tickets FTW.

basically, yeah (though how many of those with $20 tickets would'be simply ended up heading out the same fight party makes that calculus a bit more unclear)

[Scipio2009]

How exactly are you keeping things in perspective? You are using a fight that consisted of two well known fighters that did 13k on the night of the event as a comparison. Golovkin's fight is already over 11k in ticket sales with an entire month to go, knowing full well a majority of the tickets get sold within the days leading up to the event. It is also against a mandatory opponent that very few people know of. I mean no disrespect, honestly, but your points make no sense.

Coming straight from Tom Loeffler, they only initially seemed to stage the venue for about 11k seats, only now opening up extra space. Staples Center has a basketball capacity of just over 18k, with a setup for boxing that likely has the same capacity, and it seems as if TGB Promotions (Tom Brown) led with staging the whole building for the fight, which he ended up with 13k in the building for.

The Forum, according to wikipedia, has a stated capacity of 17,500; using your own logic, and with Golovkin being as big a star as they want to have people think, why not stage the fight for 17,500?

Because, after two months of selling tickets, they only recently got up to 11k tickets and, if faced with needing to have a walk up of another 6k tickets sold, in the final month for Golovkin-Wade (oddschecker has the fight at 33:1, with some places going as far as lay things at 100:1), they likely wouldn't have been able to sell the story of Golovkin being this massive draw without cutting down the price of those $30 tickets.

The map is available on ticketmaster; you can pretty well track how long it takes for the tickets to be sold (re-sellers I'll ignore for this conversation, though, with re-sellers present, those tickets haven't really been sold to anyone going to the fight yet either).

[Scipio2009]

It just proves that GGG is not a big middleweight and fighting at 168 would be a big disadvantage for him. The great Marvin Hagler stayed at middleweight his whole career, i dont get why GGG gets critisized for it. Other fighters move up because they start at the lowest weight-class possible and struggle to cut the weight fast enough as they get older or they just lack discipline, thats why so manny fighters moving up. I dont believe in you have to to be multiple weight class champion to be a great fighter.

Golovkin gets criticized for if because his camp, specifically Abel Sanchez, ran his mouth about whopping every fighter 154-168, and even went beyond into gym tales of Golovkin smashing light heavyweights and cruiserweights.

If K2 had simply kept the push to "we have a fighter who will go down as the best middleweight fighter to ever put on a pair of gloves", there'd be no criticism of Golovkin (though he'd be looking at conquering a division facing a dearth of name talent).

Hagler's aim, from what has been written about him, seemed to always be "if you wanted to come and see me, I'm at 160". Maybe K2 should've stuck to that same tact.

[Scipio2009]

you also have to take into account that it will get increasingly difficult for canelo to cut weight and most of good 154 lbers are off-limits due to the network split. i think he'll be able to get away with facing welters at 155 until the end of the year at most, and then the pressure from the fans and from his own body will force him to 160 or near it, where he won't be able to avoid golovkin without tarnishing his reputation permanently. so i think he'll have an "introduction to middleweight" against someone like stevens in september (at 156-157) and then face golovkin (at 157-158) next cinco de mayo

Liam Smith (WBO 154 champion) is available to Alvarez, and the WBO is rather lax with who they let their champions fight. Beyond that Gabriel Rosado, Michael Soro, Miguel Cotto, and couple other fighters are available 154/below 160/160.

And, when Alvarez can no longer make 154, he still has fights against David Lemieux, Curtis Stevens, and Tureano Johnson (all decent enough guys who are with Golden Boy).

The point of "tarnishing a reputation" is further off then it'd appear; you add that, with Alvarez arriving at the full 160 as the divison's biggest star, the money conversation is going to get a lot uglier.

That 90/10 talk from Oscar may have seemed to be hyperbole at first, but there's no viable reason why Alvarez should ever split a pot better than 85/15 with anyone; if Golovkin's camp balks ("... i've got all of these belts; I should get more than that"), Alvarez can simply move on to the next fight or even to whomever has the WBO 160 belt at that point.

Golovkin would already be 35 years old by Cinco De Mayo 2017; after the extensive amateur career, that shouldn't be dismissed.

[diarraisagod]

Wow only 4 pounds over 30 days out?? That's crazy. He could obviously make 154 even if he shouldn't have to.

He's gonna be giving away huge amounts of weight come fight time if he ever moves to 168.

[Ray Corso]

This explains why GGG is a 160 pound fighter. He is only 4lbs out and can remain strong and eat and hydrate as he pleases. This is the smart way to train, at 164-166 he'll spar at his best. He will make weight 4 to 5 days out from the scale then re hydrate to 168-70 for fight, loose 5 to 6 pounds over the duration but remain in condition throughout the night.
No extreme weight loses or gains to be concerned with over the course of a career. Thats how its done correctly. Same thing Mayweather & Hopkins did throughout! Other than Bernard not being able to get to 160 after a while he weight managed very well.

Ray

[robbyheartbaby]

They were bums before too.

Rubio was not a bum either! C'mon man!