This is what fans want to see. Fair play, no clinch, all balls, win or lose.

[12TRIBEsRiSe]

Who cares if it ruined one boxer's career? There are still thousands of boxers that would replace him.

The fans were happy. Exactly. Why wouldn't you be? It's because your hero had exactly that boring running clinching style, isn't it?

Please don't tell me you care about these people's well-being. You don't care about Haymon's mismatches. You never cared when Salka was almost put to sleep by Danny "Businessman" Garcia. You never cared when Zerafa was put on a stretcher after being viciously attacked by a huge, rampaging Quillin.

You people need to stop this "I care about boxers' well-being" crap.

please don't use this as an opportunity to turn this into another haymon mismatch debate. the topic is clear, stick to it

[_Maxi]

That's what the fans say they want, but in the end they back the winners. Personally, I couldn't give a damn about winning, losing, clinching, etc. If a fighter is a cool guy and puts on a good show in the ring that's cool with me. That's why I like Gurerrero, among others who get trashed because they don't win enough. If you're at that level you're pretty damn good. Even if they're not the top 10, most of those guys on tv that people here bash are still above 99.9% of active boxers in the world.

In the end they turn into other sports such as MMA.

[daggum]

clinching has been in the sport since the start maybe its you who has the problem. when I went to a gym and started learning I was taught to clinch in certain situations... if clinching is cheating then damn near every boxer is a cheater and it is them who have the problem... take it up with them

no the problem is boxers and fans have been conditioned to accept clinching. they even say things like its a part of the sport to defend it. yes i'm sure every boxer has clinched at one point in their careers, just like every boxer has thrown a low blow but that doesn't mean a boxer should be allowed to throw 100 low blows in a fight as a strategy now does it? oh throwing low blows is just a good way to keep your opponent off balance! low blows have been a part of boxing since the beginning!

[Larry the boss]

He injured his knee in the KD. If he clinched or ran after that he already had the injury. What he did after has nothing to do with the injury. I had already posted that he injured his knee in the KD. See my posts above.

He was fighting ****** which is why he was knocked down

[12TRIBEsRiSe]

no the problem is boxers and fans have been conditioned to accept clinching. they even say things like its a part of the sport to defend it. yes i'm sure every boxer has clinched at one point in their careers, just like every boxer has thrown a low blow but that doesn't mean a boxer should be allowed to throw 100 low blows in a fight as a strategy now does it? oh throwing low blows is just a good way to keep your opponent off balance! low blows have been a part of boxing since the beginning!

ok cool! thanks!

[Larry the boss]

Who cares if it ruined one boxer's career? There are still thousands of boxers that would replace him.

The fans were happy. Exactly. Why wouldn't you be? It's because your hero had exactly that boring running clinching style, isn't it?

Please don't tell me you care about these people's well-being. You don't care about Haymon's mismatches. You never cared when Salka was almost put to sleep by Danny "Businessman" Garcia. You never cared when Zerafa was put on a stretcher after being viciously attacked by a huge, rampaging Quillin.

You people need to stop this "I care about boxers' well-being" crap.

I think the fighter and his family care...this is why i say **** the fans..posts just like this

[ea22]

This is actually the fight that made me a boxing fan, no other sport before or since has provided the excitement of the 12th round of that fight. The 24/7 for Martinez vs Chavez was also amazing which hyped me up for the fight quite a bit. I couldn't agree more, those are the type of fights that make new fans of the sport, I would green if I could.

[_Maxi]

He was fighting ****** which is why he was knocked down

He made some mistakes maybe. Maybe he was overconfident and made mistakes, but I'm not talking about how he got KDed. I talk about what he did after. After being hurt he showed heart and determination to beat the man, he didn't clinch, he played it fair.

And he was injured in the KD, so his attitude after the KD has nothing to do with the injury.

[LoadedWraps]

that's why u have different styles of boxing, u want every fight to be this way? I appreciate the brawls but I hold more dear to skill n technical fights. I learn more that way. if ur a boxing fan and like more of a brawling like style that's cool but to totally sht on other styles and constantly bash them makes no sense. balance is the key!!! its a part of everyday life but boxing fans somehow never think to use it in their approach to their "favorite sport". great round of fighting by the way. clinching is used when a fighter is out of position and is taught in all gyms on some level. a fighter clinching to win (klitz) is one thing, but a fighter clinching to throw off an opponents offense when out of position is another thing.

I agree with what you say about styles, and technical boxing over brawling, but I disagree with the bolded. Yes, I was taught clinching early on, and yes, by the book, it has a purpose, but after just a few days sparring I abandoned clinching entirely, and the more I boxed the more convinced I was that I didn't want it in my arsenal.

I am sure many people will disagree with me, but I just don't see any value (personally, as a fighter) in clinching whatsoever. There is always a more productive action, a more economical action to do in any situation I have been in where clinching is an option.Why should I clinch you to throw off your offense, when countering and pivoting does the same thing, only it expends less energy, I stay on balance, and I also am delivering damage and scoring points. If I am inside, then I fight inside, I use short punches and slips and rolls, I might lean in or lean out inside, but I am not reaching to clinch, that's an open invitation to counters and you sacrifice defense in the transition. If I am hurt, it's the same thing. I am not going to wrap you up and risk headbutts and get fatigued and be off balance in a struggle, I am going to use my legs and move, or I am going to plant my feet and slug it out, and that doesn't mean throw caution to the wind, that just means stand my ground, give and take, the taking can still be catching punches and blocking and slipping them.

I always go a different route, and have never paid for it. The times I have been dropped a clinch wouldn't have saved me, because I was out of range at the time anyway. And if you reach out and try and clinch me, I won't let you. You would have to literally smother me against the ropes, and unless you are a bigger guy that isn't going to happen. reaching out to clinch will get you countered or I am rolling out of there and resetting, I will never grant you the clinch willingly and very rarely actually get tied up; when it does happen it's usually cause I am sparring a small HW dude during light sparring, which sucks to do period but my trainer will throw you to the wolves now and then lol.

[-Kev-]

That's false, the highest selling PPV's were not between brawlers, or even had a brawler partiticpating in it. I respect your opinion, but it's just an opinion, that's not truly what fans want to see. That's what "some" fans want to see.