The Catchweight Solution

[Bushbaby]

"If you have an idiot manager, then that's what it is" Leonard Ellerbe

What about ellerbe?

[Dip_Slide]

What about ellerbe?

He pointed out a valud point, Canelo and his managment put themselves at a disadvantage, not Floyd.

[sicko]

Alot of people take sides on the catchweight issue based solely on which side of it their favorite fighter is on. However, REASONABLE people can agree that catchweights are now reaching the point of absurdity, and something needs to be done. Here is what I would propose:

Catchweights would only be allowed in non-title fights, or in title fights where one participant is moving up into a new division he has not yet campaigned in. And should that participant be victorious, catchweights will be prohibited in any future title defenses.

What this would accomplish is the fighters with the economic clout to entice a sitting champion to ********** themselves (by agreeing to drain down to the point of ineffectiveness) will still be able to get that trinket for their trophy case, and the existing champ can earn some "go away" money.

Champions forcing catchweights in title defenses is making a mockery of the sport. Other than DLH-Hops, Pac-Algeri and now Cottos nonsense, can anyone point to a defending champion demanding a catchweight in a title defense??

Something has to happen.......


Edit: And I need to add Floyd-Canelo to the shame list. Its true that Canelo was the defending champ and not Floyd, but Floyd had fought twice before at 154 so no catchweight should have been permitted.

So True!

Not to defend catch weights but technically...Cotto and Canelo aren't doing anything wrong or against the rules of boxing. Anything higher than 154 lbs all the way up to 160 is considered Middleweight, Not Just 160.

So if Cotto and Canelo agreed to a 154.5 lbs as the weight that is still Middleweight

What I do find funny is how Mr Big Mouth Oscar was running his mouth about Mayweather retiring and how "Boxing Will Be Better Without Him" but then you and your fighter turn around and take a page out of his book and you want to play this A-Side and make demands. At least when fighting Mayweather it changes fighters lives and make them Rich, but you have guys who don't generate much themselves trying to make demands. It is all BS and Boxing is Fulls of Snakes and people who Contradict Themselves every time they open their mouths

[OnePunch]

So True!

Not to defend catch weights but technically...Cotto and Canelo aren't doing anything wrong or against the rules of boxing. Anything higher than 154 lbs all the way up to 160 is considered Middleweight, Not Just 160.

So if Cotto and Canelo agreed to a 154.5 lbs as the weight that is still Middleweight

What I do find funny is how Mr Big Mouth Oscar was running his mouth about Mayweather retiring and how "Boxing Will Be Better Without Him" but then you and your fighter turn around and take a page out of his book and you want to play this A-Side and make demands. At least when fighting Mayweather it changes fighters lives and make them Rich, but you have guys who don't generate much themselves trying to make demands. It is all BS and Boxing is Fulls of Snakes and people who Contradict Themselves every time they open their mouths

no argument on that point......

[boliodogs]

My opinion on catchweights is if there is no title involved then any weight the two boxers agree on is OK. Catchweights should never be allowed in a title fight under any circumstances. It doesn't matter if the challenger is moving up from a lower weight. NO CATCHWEIGHTS IN TITLE FIGHTS. If the fighter from the lower weight is not sure he can handle the higher weight then he should stay at the weight he is at.

[boliodogs]

He pointed out a valud point, Canelo and his managment put themselves at a disadvantage, not Floyd.

That's not true at all. Canelo had said almost two years earlier that he would come down some in weight to fight Mayweather. During the actual negotiations for the fight Canelo and his team wanted 154 and Mayweather wanted 147. Canelo had no choice but to fight at 152 or not get the Mayweather fight at all. !52 was as high as Mayweather was going to go. There was never the slightest possibility the fight would be at 154. Ellerby is lying trying to make it look like team Canelo asked for 152. Team Canelo wanted 154 while Mayweather wanted 147 and refused to go higher than 152. The catchweight was 100% Mayweather's fault and 0% team Canelo's fault. Canelo offering to fight Mayweather at less than 154 22 months before the actual fight was negotiated has nothing to do with it. He was younger and smaller then and could have been comfortable at a bit below 154. Ellerby twisted the facts around to make Floyd look good just as he always does.

[Deevel916]

Boxing needs rule set in stone! As it stands, the fighters get to make their own rules and its one major reason why boxing will never be a mainstream sport again.

[Eff Pandas]

Boxing needs rule set in stone! As it stands, the fighters get to make their own rules and its one major reason why boxing will never be a mainstream sport again.

You are delusional to reality. And who is "boxing?" Boxers didn't create 4+ world champions, ****ty rankings & 17 weight divisions. That was "boxing" that did that. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

The game has been f#cked up, the fighters are just operating as good as they can in this f#cked up situation to their own best outcome. Alphabet groups have anally ****d the term "champion" so that it means less than it ever has in the history of the sport.

But basically anyone who thinks the 4-5 guys who can do a catchweight world title fight is a big problem in the clusterf#ck that is pro boxing right now you are mfing delusional.

[icha]

new weight classes have been added to boxing in the last 30-40 years, back in the day there were only 8 weight classes from Flyweight to heavyweight, now there are 18, changing the names of the weight classes won't help much.

I don't think catchweights should be banned except in case of mandatory title defenses, but I think fighters moving down should get more credit if they win, but if they lose no credit should be taken away from the winner cuz nobody forced anybody to fight if it's not a mandatory defense.

Winner of Canelo Cotto must either fight GGG at 160 or vacate, no catchweight BS, if the winner still wanna fight GGG at a catchweight then the WBC should first strip him of that paper title, give to GGG, then GGG can decide whether or not the catchweight fight is a title fight, anything else is BS.

nice post, totally agree with it...

[Dip_Slide]

That's not true at all. Canelo had said almost two years earlier that he would come down some in weight to fight Mayweather. During the actual negotiations for the fight Canelo and his team wanted 154 and Mayweather wanted 147. Canelo had no choice but to fight at 152 or not get the Mayweather fight at all. !52 was as high as Mayweather was going to go. There was never the slightest possibility the fight would be at 154. Ellerby is lying trying to make it look like team Canelo asked for 152. Team Canelo wanted 154 while Mayweather wanted 147 and refused to go higher than 152. The catchweight was 100% Mayweather's fault and 0% team Canelo's fault. Canelo offering to fight Mayweather at less than 154 22 months before the actual fight was negotiated has nothing to do with it. He was younger and smaller then and could have been comfortable at a bit below 154. Ellerby twisted the facts around to make Floyd look good just as he always does.

Canelo wanted to fight Floyd in 2012 at 150 lbs, fight happened in 2013 at 152, Floyd wasn't a mandatory, so Canelo wasn't forced to take the fight if he felt he wasn't gonna be a 100%, the catchweight is nobody's fault, it's an offer, u take it or leave it, Canelo wasn't forced by any sanctioning body to take this fight, if he knew he wasn't gonna be a 100% for the fight but took the fight anyway to make a good payday and didn't care much about winning, then that's HIS fault, nobody knows his own body except himself, so he either thought he wasn't gonna be affected by it or he didn't care cuz he wanted to make the money, in both cases it's his own fault since he wasn't forced to do it and offered it a year earlier.

This 147 thingy is clearly a story to gain sympathy, noway this ever happened.