Official All Time Pound for Pound Rankings: Mayweather is # 19!!!

[Chrismart]

It's hard to make a list really. He isn't top 10 though, probably not top 15.

[Barn]

That is a very solid 1-30 ranking and I agree with most of it actually. Few points I dont:

- I find it interesting Marciano retired undefeated at 49-0 and beat #s 5, 7 and 19 yet he is not even ranked in the top 30. I just find that very odd?

Marciano has a very weak resume, only a handful of his last fights were actually against top 10 ranked opponents. The great fighters he beat, he did so when they were past it and in some cases not in their prime weight class.

[13777]

Why would bowe or wlad b on it wtf haha

Show me your list so I can point and laugh

[BoxingTrav]

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2. Sugar Ray Robinson
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Muhammad Ali
5. Joe Louis
6. Sugar Ray Leonard
7. Roy Jones
8. Marvin Hagler
9. Roberto Duran
10. Archie Moore
11. Pernell Whitaker
12. Harry Greb
13. Julio Cesar Chavez
14. Sam Langford
15. Jack Johnson
16. Willy Pep
17. Manny Pacquaio
18. Thomas Hearns
19. Ezzard Charles
20. Charley Burley.

I started watching boxing in 1986. I read all the lists and read all the books and watched the fights on video. My list is based on my experience. I'm quite comfortable with my list.

[M Bison]

He is in the same rank as Sven Ottke, Joe Calzaghe and Rocky Marciano, Rocky belong ahead of him though.

[Bald Shavers]

That is a very solid 1-30 ranking and I agree with most of it actually. Few points I dont:

- I find it interesting Marciano retired undefeated at 49-0 and beat #s 5, 7 and 19 yet he is not even ranked in the top 30. I just find that very odd?
- Muhammad Ali is ranked too high. I know this is not a popular stance but I feel he is overrated and always has been. His famous name is what gets him ranked so high all the time I feel. I'd put him probably between 12-18.
- I think Pac should be at least in the high teens or twenties. That "8 division title" run is bs we all know that and I find it hard to rank someone as high as he is who has been stopped as many times as he has (3) and outboxed by people who are either below him or not on this list (Morales, JMM and Floyd).
- I would maybe consider LaMotta somewhere in the top 30?

I think over time modern fighters will be appreciated more to be honest. I think in addition to Floyd and Pac, JMM or even Wlad K. may break into the top 30 of all time possibly.

Rocky Marciano is ranked top 40. He beat 35 year olds. Joe Louis was old. Ezzard Charles was a light heavy. Lucky punch against Walcott.

Watch videos of Willie Pep, Sugar Ray Leonard, and Floyd Mayweather. Heavyweight Ali still looked faster than these three guys despite being 215 lbs. pre-Vietnam.

During boxing events Sugar Ray Leonard is always introduced as a "5 weight division world champion". This even though when he beat Donny LeLonde, he was fighting the number 4 ranked light heavyweight in the world at a catchweight of 168 lbs. He won two of his 5 titles in this one fight, namely, LeLonde's light heavy title and the brand new Super Middleweight title which was created especially for Leonard. Despite this, Leonard is and will always be a "5 weight division" champion. Pacquiao's 8 titles is even more sticky. It will be his calling card for eternity. Plus, he was Fighter of the Decade. This fact can never be changed short of having a time machine.

As for Jake LaMotta, I think he may be top 30. But who in my top 30 list would you fire in order to make room for LaMotta?

Marquez is top 40. Wlad would have a hard time breaking the top 100. Remember, he is winning because of size advantage. He is a super heavyweight fighting heavyweights. If he were the same size (weight and dimensions) as Haye, he probably would have lost.

[soul_survivor]

Time to rank Mayweather. He has had a great career, often rated among the best defensive boxers ever. He does not hold any records (Pac has 8 titles in 8 weight divisions; Ricardo Lopez retired 54-0 (1 draw); Armstrong held 3 titles in 3 weight divisions simultaneously; Robinson won and recaptured middleweight title 5 times; Joe Louis had 26 title defenses over almost twelve years).

But Mayweather, when it comes to fighter vs fighter skills comparison, was near flawless. It is for this reason that I rank him this way in my all time great pound for pound rankings.

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Willie Pep
4. Henry Armstrong
5. Joe Louis
6. Sugar Ray Leonard
7. Archie Moore
8. Roberto Duran
9. Harry Greb
10. Sam Lanford
11. Benny Leonard
12. Jimmy Wilde
13. Joe Gans
14. Carlos Monzon
15. Ezzard Charles
16. Manny Pacquiao
17. Roy Jones
18. Julio Ceasar Chavez SENIOR
19. Floyd Mayweather JUNIOR
20. Pernell Whitaker
21. Bernard Hopkins
22. Gene Tunney
23. Tommy Loughran
24. Carmen Basilio
25. Tony Canzoneri
26. George Foreman
27. Marvelous Marvin Hagler
28. Jack Dempsey
29. Salvador Sanchez
30. Kid Gavilan

Decent list, based on the mythical idea of h2h. Is that your main criteria?

[.!WAR MIKEY!.]

So when he said TBE he wasnt even close to the top 10.

what a sham, I hope all his fans who fell in love with his persona ask for their money back, false advertisement. They bought his product beliving the sales pitch "TBE" smh this is actually illegal.

[Bald Shavers]

So when he said TBE he wasnt even close to the top 10.

what a sham, I hope all his fans who fell in love with his persona ask for their money back, false advertisement. They bought his product beliving the sales pitch "TBE" smh this is actually illegal.

I think Floyd can actually hold his own but there all time great fighters that would have him totally outclassed.