Mayweather's IV injection (Master thread)

[Dosumpthin]

The following statement was issued by Thomas Hauser in response to recent comments made by the United States Anti-Doping Agency:

Statement of Thomas Hauser with Regard to the September 17, 2015, Comments by USADA

USADA’s response is long on verbiage and short on documented facts. I intend to write another longform article on this subject at some point in the future. For now, I note the following:

(1) The USADA statement goes to great lengths to discredit Victor Conte, attacking him on three separate occasions for past misdeeds (which I referenced in “Can Boxing Trust USADA?”). USADA also states that I “cherry picked Jeff Novitzky’s response to questions posed to him by Mr. Rogan regarding Victor Conte.”

Mr. Novitzky’s remarks came in an interview conducted by Joe Rogan last month (The Joe Rogan Experience #685). In that interview, Mr. Rogan and Mr. Novitzky also discussed IVs. Let’s pick a whole barrel of cherries:

Joe Rogan: “What’s the reason why they can’t use an IV? Is it to mask possible performance enhancing drugs?”

Jeff Novitzsky: “That’s the primary reason. I saw it up front and center in cycling. They were using IVs of saline solution to manipulate their blood level readings, which were being used to determine if they were blood doping. It could also be used to flush a system. It dilutes blood and urine so that natural steroid profiles are very hard to read after you’ve taken an IV bag. That’s the primary reason. WADA also prohibits them for some health reasons. When an IV is administered, especially close to a competition, there’s a possibility of blowing out a vein or having clotting after the IV is taken out. There could be some issues with edema and swelling. If the idea is to rehydrate, it’s much safer to do it orally. Studies show that orally rehydrating is better for you if you’re mildly dehydrated. There’s two things that they show consistently. Number one, it’s obviously safer to put something through your mouth than put it in a needle in your vein. Number two, your perceived rate of exertion, how hard you feel you’re working after rehydrating orally, is less than if you rehydrate via IV. If you rehydrate orally properly, the next day you’re going to feel a whole lot better when you’re exerting yourself.”

“Now that’s mild dehydration,” Novitzky added. As for extreme dehydration, Novitzky suggested, “You probably should go to a hospital. [And] I think you need to notify the commission where you’re fighting.”

If Floyd Mayweather was dehydrated after the May 1 weigh-in, the USADA doping control officer could have given him several glasses of water. USADA has yet to explain the medical justification and supporting data that led it to grant a retroactive the****utic use exemption nineteen days after the fact for a procedure that’s on the World Anti-Doping Agency’s “Prohibited Substances and Methods List”.

(2) Most of the public attention regarding “Can Boxing Trust USADA?” has focussed on the IV that was administered to Floyd Mayweather one day before his fight against Manny Pacquiao. However, the article also references the two testosterone-to-epitestosterone-ratio test results regarding Mr. Mayweather that were made available to this writer. It would be instructive if Mr. Mayweather granted a waiver to USADA allowing it to release the testosterone-to-epitestosterone-ratio test results for each urine test administered to him by USADA for each of his fights beginning with Mayweather vs. Shane Mosley up to and including Mayweather vs. Andre Berto.

(3) The issues involved here go far beyond Floyd Mayweather. In that regard, I note that USADA’s contention that it advised the New York State Athletic Commission on October 17, 2012, concerning Erik Morales testing positive for Clenbuterol is rebutted by the statement of Laz Benitez (a spokesperson for the New York State Department of State, which oversees the NYSAC). On August 10, 2015, Mr. Benitez advised in writing, “There is no indication in the Commission’s files that it was notified of this matter prior to October 18, 2012.”

50% of what you post reference the methods or instances where athletes successfully avoid targeted testing. This isn't the case with Manny or floyd.

The other 50% of your nonsense predates before WADA officially launched Athlete Biological Passport testing.

Lance Armstrong and Victor Conte have been qouted praising ABP testing.



You even went so far in another thread saying that Memo is capable of fooling CIR testing.


Cholesterol synthetic testosterone - can you provide links and receipts?

In not a chemist so I won't pretend to break down the science of it all, but I have a hard time believing anything you say.


Can you provide a few links/studies that can support your claim?

[pasawayako]

Feels like yesterday to me

Yeah. I think this thread will always remind the people on how floyd use the armstrong tactic to pass the test.

[Spoon23]

Yeah. I think this thread will always remind the people on how floyd use the armstrong tactic to pass the test.

Oh my, this epicly daminging thread really brings out the floyd agenda in a big way. Can't get any clearer than this. Floyd cheated his way to a marathon, Huggathon event. SMH

# 875 pages on how to expose a Fraud

[Vadrigar.]

Oh my, this epicly daminging thread really brings out the floyd agenda in a big way. Can't get any clearer than this. Floyd cheated his way to a marathon, Huggathon event. SMH

# 875 pages on how to expose a Fraud

The view count on your investigation thread is approaching this thread's: 275,186 to your 208,584.

[pasawayako]

Oh my, this epicly daminging thread really brings out the floyd agenda in a big way. Can't get any clearer than this. Floyd cheated his way to a marathon, Huggathon event. SMH

# 875 pages on how to expose a Fraud

Hahahhaha yes my friend. I hope they put this thread forever in sticky thread.

[SonnyboyReturns]

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[ADP02]

50% of what you post reference the methods or instances where athletes successfully avoid targeted testing. This isn't the case with Manny or floyd.

The other 50% of your nonsense predates before WADA officially launched Athlete Biological Passport testing.

Lance Armstrong and Victor Conte have been qouted praising ABP testing.



You even went so far in another thread saying that Memo is capable of fooling CIR testing.


Cholesterol synthetic testosterone - can you provide links and receipts?

In not a chemist so I won't pretend to break down the science of it all, but I have a hard time believing anything you say.


Can you provide a few links/studies that can support your claim?

I can answer that ....


There are several ways to beat CIR testing.
1) CIR testing has trouble detecting when an athlete is taking small amounts of the synthetic testosterone. Small doses can beat the test because the test isn’t sensitive enough to detect low doses.



2) Novistsky agrees that there is a 2nd way to beat CIR testing:

Question: You told me in Brazil,....there is a new type of testosterone that are making testosterone from yams?
Novistsky: Correct
Question: and now doing it thru animals?
Novistsky: yes they are, one of the most accurate tests is CIR test for testosterone , ....... there is now research, .... there is an animal based testosterone that can potentially beat CIR test.

Novistsky: "I believe its being used now"




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[pasawayako]

This should be on the sticky thread forever.

[Dosumpthin]

I can answer that ....


There are several ways to beat CIR testing.
1) CIR testing has trouble detecting when an athlete is taking small amounts of the synthetic testosterone. Small doses can beat the test because the test isn’t sensitive enough to detect low doses.



2) Novistsky agrees that there is a 2nd way to beat CIR testing:

Question: You told me in Brazil,....there is a new type of testosterone that are making testosterone from yams?
Novistsky: Correct
Question: and now doing it thru animals?
Novistsky: yes they are, one of the most accurate tests is CIR test for testosterone , ....... there is now research, .... there is an animal based testosterone that can potentially beat CIR test.

Novistsky: "I believe its being used now"




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Remember that "ABP thingy"?

15. WHAT IS AN “ATYPICAL” STEROIDAL PASSPORT (ATPF)? UP

A Steroidal Passport is deemed atypical when the resulting longitudinal T/E profile or a particular T/E value is unlikely to be a result of normal physiological fluctuation, as calculated by the Adaptive Model. Plans are underway to enable declaring an ATPF based on other variables of the steroid profile than the T/E alone (e.g. A/T androsterone/testosterone).

16. CAN THERE BE AN ADVERSE ANALYTICAL FINDING (AAF) DIRECTLY FROM THE PASSPORT AND, IF SO, WHAT PROCESS IS FOLLOWED? UP

No. However, in the case of an ATPF, a Confirmation Procedure including an Isotope Ratio Mass Spectrometry (IRMS) analysis will be performed automatically by the Laboratory responsible for the analysis of the Sample.

If the IRMS is positive (i.e. the exogenous origin of the steroid and an ATPF are confirmed), the outcome of the analysis becomes an AAF, with the Testing Authority responsible for the results management process and for taking a subsequent decision.

17. WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE IRMS IS NEGATIVE OR INCONCLUSIVE? UP

If the IRMS is negative or inconclusive (i.e. the exogenous origin of the steroid is not confirmed), then the APMU of the Passport Custodian must seek an Expert Review. (See OG Appendix E: TD2015 RMR, p. 45) The APMU will then determine the subsequent measures to take (i.e. more testing, case to open, etc.).








Even if an athlete uses testosterone in which the origin is undetectable by today's test, they still can be caught by the ABP steroid module.

[rickJen]

Anyone knows about the USADA testing in the Gregor/May circus?
Seems they're both allowed to juice in this freak show.