Mayweather's IV injection (Master thread)

[ironmt]

Froid does the same things that other dopers in history have done yet he's clean and they aren't. The fanboyism is strong with them.

BTW I believe both Pac and Floyd have doped.

You are absolutely correct on all accounts IMO.

[Vadrigar.]

[Vadrigar.]

[Teetotaler]

Lmao i remember when this came out.
"He wuz jus dehidrated doe. He a small weltawate doe"

[travestyny]

Hmm. T/E ratio = .69 and .8


How about .29, .35, and .19?

Dr. Christiane Ayotte, the head of the WADA-accredited laboratory in Montreal, saw no problem with Jones' T/E ratio.

One way to manipulate a T/E ratio downward would be to take epitestosterone, but Ayotte said that would be easily detected in a screening.

"I read the interviews of 'specialists' on that topic [in MMA media accounts], and, well, I am sorry, but such T/E values are not at all abnormal,"

What's got your panties in a knot recently? Is this about Pacquiao losing? Stop bumping these old threads just because your boy lost.



Where you eat, I eat. Let's go, Champ!

[ironmt]

No amount of self-serving rhetoric from USADA can change the following unrebutted facts:

(1) The IV was administered at Floyd Mayweather’s home after the weigh-in on May 1. USADA learned about the IV on that date.

(2) The 2015 WADA “Prohibited Substances and Methods List” states, “Intravenous infusions and/or injections of more than 50 ml per 6 hour period are prohibited except for those legitimately received in the course of hospital admissions, surgical procedures, or clinical investigations.”

(3) The above-referenced prohibition is in effect at all times that the athlete is subject to testing. It exists because, in addition to being administered for the purpose of adding specific substances to a person’s body, an IV infusion can dilute or mask the presence of another substance that is already in the recipient’s system or might be added to it in the near future.

(4) Mayweather-Pacquiao was contested on May 2.

(5) Mayweather applied for a the****utic use exemption on May 19 (seventeen days after the fight).

(6) USADA granted the the****utic use exemption on May 20 (eighteen days after the fight).

(7) USADA did not notify the Nevada State Athletic Commission about the IV until May 21 (nineteen days after the fight).

Meanwhile, on May 2 (fight night), Manny Pacquiao’s request to be injected with Toradol (a legal substance) to ease the pain caused by a torn rotator cuff was denied by the Nevada State Athletic Commission because the request was not made in a timely manner.

It would be helpful if Travis Tygart or his spokesperson answered the following questions directly:

(1) What was the medical justification and supporting data that led to USADA granting the the****utic use exemption for an otherwise prohibited IV procedure?

(2) On how many occasions has the “A” sample of a professional boxer tested by USADA come back positive for a prohibited substance?

(3) What was the testosterone-to-epitestosterone ratio for each urine test administered to Floyd Mayweather by USADA for each of his fights beginning with Mayweather vs. Shane Mosley up to and including Mayweather vs. Andre Berto?

(4) Does USADA still maintain that it handled the Erik Morales matter correctly?
Hauser provided analysis from Victor Conte—the ringleader of the famous BALCO scandal and now an advocate for stricter testing:

The benefits that an athlete retains from using anabolic steroids and certain other PEDs carry over for months. Anybody who knows anything about the way these drugs work knows that you don’t perform at your best when you’re actually on the drugs. You get maximum benefit after the use stops. I can’t tell you what Floyd Mayweather is and isn’t doing. What he could be doing is this. The fight is over. First, he uses these drugs for tissue repair. Then he can stay on them until he announces his next fight, at which time he’s the one who decides when the next round of testing starts. And by the time testing starts, the drugs have cleared his system.
Interestingly, Pacquiao's camp had suggested a $5 million fine if either fighter tested positive for PEDs. Mayweather's camp declined—a surprise given the very public accusations hurled Pacquiao's way.

Pacquiao responded to the report on Sept. 10, saying: "Truth finally came out and I was vindicated,” via ABS-CBN’s Francis Canlas. “[The] Mayweather camp used to accused me of using PED. Now, look at what happened.”

[al-Xander]

Pointless threads. No one wants to do anything about it.

[travestyny]

No amount of self-serving rhetoric from USADA can change the following unrebutted facts:

(1) The IV was administered at Floyd Mayweather’s home after the weigh-in on May 1. USADA learned about the IV on that date.

(2) The 2015 WADA “Prohibited Substances and Methods List” states, “Intravenous infusions and/or injections of more than 50 ml per 6 hour period are prohibited except for those legitimately received in the course of hospital admissions, surgical procedures, or clinical investigations.”

(3) The above-referenced prohibition is in effect at all times that the athlete is subject to testing. It exists because, in addition to being administered for the purpose of adding specific substances to a person’s body, an IV infusion can dilute or mask the presence of another substance that is already in the recipient’s system or might be added to it in the near future.

(4) Mayweather-Pacquiao was contested on May 2.

(5) Mayweather applied for a the****utic use exemption on May 19 (seventeen days after the fight).

(6) USADA granted the the****utic use exemption on May 20 (eighteen days after the fight).

(7) USADA did not notify the Nevada State Athletic Commission about the IV until May 21 (nineteen days after the fight).

Meanwhile, on May 2 (fight night), Manny Pacquiao’s request to be injected with Toradol (a legal substance) to ease the pain caused by a torn rotator cuff was denied by the Nevada State Athletic Commission because the request was not made in a timely manner.

It would be helpful if Travis Tygart or his spokesperson answered the following questions directly:

(1) What was the medical justification and supporting data that led to USADA granting the the****utic use exemption for an otherwise prohibited IV procedure?

(2) On how many occasions has the “A” sample of a professional boxer tested by USADA come back positive for a prohibited substance?

(3) What was the testosterone-to-epitestosterone ratio for each urine test administered to Floyd Mayweather by USADA for each of his fights beginning with Mayweather vs. Shane Mosley up to and including Mayweather vs. Andre Berto?

(4) Does USADA still maintain that it handled the Erik Morales matter correctly?
Hauser provided analysis from Victor Conte—the ringleader of the famous BALCO scandal and now an advocate for stricter testing:

The benefits that an athlete retains from using anabolic steroids and certain other PEDs carry over for months. Anybody who knows anything about the way these drugs work knows that you don’t perform at your best when you’re actually on the drugs. You get maximum benefit after the use stops. I can’t tell you what Floyd Mayweather is and isn’t doing. What he could be doing is this. The fight is over. First, he uses these drugs for tissue repair. Then he can stay on them until he announces his next fight, at which time he’s the one who decides when the next round of testing starts. And by the time testing starts, the drugs have cleared his system.
Interestingly, Pacquiao's camp had suggested a $5 million fine if either fighter tested positive for PEDs. Mayweather's camp declined—a surprise given the very public accusations hurled Pacquiao's way.

Pacquiao responded to the report on Sept. 10, saying: "Truth finally came out and I was vindicated,” via ABS-CBN’s Francis Canlas. “[The] Mayweather camp used to accused me of using PED. Now, look at what happened.”

Is this from Thomas Hauser? The dude was already proven to have no idea what he was talking about.


Didn't he go back on his statement and admit that Mayweather wasn't "caught" using the IV?

Didn't he get his calculation wrong about how much IV fluid would be needed to lower the hematocrit level?

Did he even understand the science behind using an IV to thwart a drug test?

Does he understand that Mayweather wasn't taking a blood test, but a urine test?

Does he understand that the urine, by rule, would not be allowed to be diluted as per the rules?

Did he understand that the specific gravity of the urine was checked by the DCO....and the independent WADA lab, who do not have the athlete's name attached to the sample?

Did he understand the the TUE Committee is a group of 4 independent doctors who don't have an athlete's name attached to the TUE application.

Wasn't Hauser schooled by USADA on a number of points?


Why is there such a renewed interest in this old shlt? Is it because Pacquiao lost? lol

[Vadrigar.]

no amount of self-serving rhetoric from usada can change the following unrebutted facts:

(1) the iv was administered at floyd mayweather’s home after the weigh-in on may 1. Usada learned about the iv on that date.

(2) the 2015 wada “prohibited substances and methods list” states, “intravenous infusions and/or injections of more than 50 ml per 6 hour period are prohibited except for those legitimately received in the course of hospital admissions, surgical procedures, or clinical investigations.”

(3) the above-referenced prohibition is in effect at all times that the athlete is subject to testing. It exists because, in addition to being administered for the purpose of adding specific substances to a person’s body, an iv infusion can dilute or mask the presence of another substance that is already in the recipient’s system or might be added to it in the near future.

(4) mayweather-pacquiao was contested on may 2.

(5) mayweather applied for a the****utic use exemption on may 19 (seventeen days after the fight).

(6) usada granted the the****utic use exemption on may 20 (eighteen days after the fight).

(7) usada did not notify the nevada state athletic commission about the iv until may 21 (nineteen days after the fight).

Meanwhile, on may 2 (fight night), manny pacquiao’s request to be injected with toradol (a legal substance) to ease the pain caused by a torn rotator cuff was denied by the nevada state athletic commission because the request was not made in a timely manner.

It would be helpful if travis tygart or his spokesperson answered the following questions directly:

(1) what was the medical justification and supporting data that led to usada granting the the****utic use exemption for an otherwise prohibited iv procedure?

(2) on how many occasions has the “a” sample of a professional boxer tested by usada come back positive for a prohibited substance?

(3) what was the testosterone-to-epitestosterone ratio for each urine test administered to floyd mayweather by usada for each of his fights beginning with mayweather vs. Shane mosley up to and including mayweather vs. Andre berto?

(4) does usada still maintain that it handled the erik morales matter correctly?
Hauser provided analysis from victor conte—the ringleader of the famous balco scandal and now an advocate for stricter testing:

The benefits that an athlete retains from using anabolic steroids and certain other peds carry over for months. Anybody who knows anything about the way these drugs work knows that you don’t perform at your best when you’re actually on the drugs. You get maximum benefit after the use stops. I can’t tell you what floyd mayweather is and isn’t doing. What he could be doing is this. The fight is over. First, he uses these drugs for tissue repair. Then he can stay on them until he announces his next fight, at which time he’s the one who decides when the next round of testing starts. And by the time testing starts, the drugs have cleared his system.
Interestingly, pacquiao's camp had suggested a $5 million fine if either fighter tested positive for peds. Mayweather's camp declined—a surprise given the very public accusations hurled pacquiao's way.

Pacquiao responded to the report on sept. 10, saying: "truth finally came out and i was vindicated,” via abs-cbn’s francis canlas. “[the] mayweather camp used to accused me of using ped. Now, look at what happened.”

qft............

[Vadrigar.]

The following statement was issued by Thomas Hauser in response to recent comments made by the United States Anti-Doping Agency:

Statement of Thomas Hauser with Regard to the September 17, 2015, Comments by USADA

USADA’s response is long on verbiage and short on documented facts. I intend to write another longform article on this subject at some point in the future. For now, I note the following:

(1) The USADA statement goes to great lengths to discredit Victor Conte, attacking him on three separate occasions for past misdeeds (which I referenced in “Can Boxing Trust USADA?”). USADA also states that I “cherry picked Jeff Novitzky’s response to questions posed to him by Mr. Rogan regarding Victor Conte.”

Mr. Novitzky’s remarks came in an interview conducted by Joe Rogan last month (The Joe Rogan Experience #685). In that interview, Mr. Rogan and Mr. Novitzky also discussed IVs. Let’s pick a whole barrel of cherries:

Joe Rogan: “What’s the reason why they can’t use an IV? Is it to mask possible performance enhancing drugs?”

Jeff Novitzsky: “That’s the primary reason. I saw it up front and center in cycling. They were using IVs of saline solution to manipulate their blood level readings, which were being used to determine if they were blood doping. It could also be used to flush a system. It dilutes blood and urine so that natural steroid profiles are very hard to read after you’ve taken an IV bag. That’s the primary reason. WADA also prohibits them for some health reasons. When an IV is administered, especially close to a competition, there’s a possibility of blowing out a vein or having clotting after the IV is taken out. There could be some issues with edema and swelling. If the idea is to rehydrate, it’s much safer to do it orally. Studies show that orally rehydrating is better for you if you’re mildly dehydrated. There’s two things that they show consistently. Number one, it’s obviously safer to put something through your mouth than put it in a needle in your vein. Number two, your perceived rate of exertion, how hard you feel you’re working after rehydrating orally, is less than if you rehydrate via IV. If you rehydrate orally properly, the next day you’re going to feel a whole lot better when you’re exerting yourself.”

“Now that’s mild dehydration,” Novitzky added. As for extreme dehydration, Novitzky suggested, “You probably should go to a hospital. [And] I think you need to notify the commission where you’re fighting.”

If Floyd Mayweather was dehydrated after the May 1 weigh-in, the USADA doping control officer could have given him several glasses of water. USADA has yet to explain the medical justification and supporting data that led it to grant a retroactive the****utic use exemption nineteen days after the fact for a procedure that’s on the World Anti-Doping Agency’s “Prohibited Substances and Methods List”.

(2) Most of the public attention regarding “Can Boxing Trust USADA?” has focussed on the IV that was administered to Floyd Mayweather one day before his fight against Manny Pacquiao. However, the article also references the two testosterone-to-epitestosterone-ratio test results regarding Mr. Mayweather that were made available to this writer. It would be instructive if Mr. Mayweather granted a waiver to USADA allowing it to release the testosterone-to-epitestosterone-ratio test results for each urine test administered to him by USADA for each of his fights beginning with Mayweather vs. Shane Mosley up to and including Mayweather vs. Andre Berto.

(3) The issues involved here go far beyond Floyd Mayweather. In that regard, I note that USADA’s contention that it advised the New York State Athletic Commission on October 17, 2012, concerning Erik Morales testing positive for Clenbuterol is rebutted by the statement of Laz Benitez (a spokesperson for the New York State Department of State, which oversees the NYSAC). On August 10, 2015, Mr. Benitez advised in writing, “There is no indication in the Commission’s files that it was notified of this matter prior to October 18, 2012.”