True or False: James Toney's win over Michael Nunn is better than any win of Floyd's?

[IronDanHamza]

I'd like to see some evidence that he was a clear underdog vs Corrales. That's not how I remember it at all.

This might be wrong, but I remember it as Mayweather even was a slight favourite and most people picked him to win.

Not a clear underdog. Slight underdog. Atleast at first he was.

I think he might have been even odds in the end but in all honesty I'm not entirely sure.

[Johnwoo8686]

This is why this obsession with p4p is utterly idiotic. Pacquiao was not the second best fighter in the world when Floyd beat him. Hes the second biggest name but there is plenty of guys who have looked better than him over the years. Using p4p for why anyone is a better win is ******. The nunn that toney beat was a much bigger threat and at a better stage of his career than pacquiao or Mosley was.

The thing is in 2009 Pacquiao was ranked as the best fighter in the world pound for pound when he arguably lost to Marquez in their second fight. Even if they had fought five years ago Manny was still the more battle worn fighter.

[Ahmed_Ismail]

Didn't I say both were out of their prime? I like both men as much as each other, but look at Pacquiao - since 2010 he's been badly hurt by Margarito, outboxed by Marquez, knocked spark out by Marquez and had a so-so performance vs Bradley in the first fight (though he won).

Mayweather has looked good in pretty much all of his fight except Maidana 1 in that period of time and of course won ever fight - most with ease.

Once again, there's no question that Pacquiao was more out of his prime than Mayweather, but both were clearly out of their prime.

I thought Mayweather did worse in the rematch especially in the second half of the fight, it was championship qualities that made him bite down in the 10th and 11th to close it off, but this night I was very disappointed with Floyd Mayweather and thought that he should just retire, he got hit with too many more punches than he should've and he showed some signs of fatigue and sluggishness in the second half of the fight and he had to resort to holding, which I didn't like at all.

Going into the fight I thought Pacquiao was fresher based on his last 2 performances but I thought Floyd still had that one great last performance in him where he rises to the occasion like he always does in his biggest fights, this was personal to him and he wanted it way more than Pacquiao, also the style and the ring IQ made me think that Floyd was going to win. throughout training camp I didn't see the motivation in Pacquiao's eyes to win this thing, it felt like he was content with the moral victory of him being considered the good guy and Floyd being the bad guy that was running from him.

[Kagami Taiga]

Great run?

Witter, Alexander, Holt, Peterson? Where's the greatness because I'm missing it.

All of those are dead average who any half-decent world champion should be able to beat a lot easier than Bradley did.

That actually is quite a very good run especially considering he dominated pretty much all of those guys. Bradley 140lb resume is probably the best in the world in the last 10 -15 years.

[BrometheusBob.]

Big favourite against Castillo.

Underdog against Corrales.

He was the favorite against Castillo? Ah, my recollection of this time period is questionable apparently .

But regarding Corrales some google results you might want to peak at:

An article from 2001 stating that Mayweather opened at -170 at The Mirage, and at -130 at the Suncoast. At the former the odds would go down to -135/-145 Mayweather and at the latter the line closed at -145 Mayweather.


Posts from 2001 that have Mayweather the favorite (about -130/+110), and 1 post has it even at -120 for both.


A collection of predictions for Mayweather/Corrales by pundits. At the bottom it says "Totals: Mayweather 18; Corrales: 15". Many people believed Floyd to be the more talented boxer and were picking him to win, including Farhood, but apparently not including Kellerman who picked Corrales by decision.

Heck, even just from the actual fight:

12:50-13:03
Merchant says odds are 6/5 against Corrales, Lampley points out that the late betting is pushing the odds closer.

All of this more or less suggest a pick 'em, with Mayweather a slight favorite if not even, but I don't see any evidence that Mayweather was perceived as the underdog, not even a slight underdog nor even just initially an underdog.

[Mr. Philadel]

a day doesn't go by here without a "Discredit Floyd" or "Belittle Floyd" thread....

WTF did Floyd do to you dudes that bring out that side of you?!?...I would like to know

[LacedUp]

That actually is quite a very good run especially considering he dominated pretty much all of those guys. Bradley 140lb resume is probably the best in the world in the last 10 -15 years.

Dominated? That's not how I remember it, maybe aside from Peterson. He went life and death with Holt and got dropped like a sack of shyt once and also dropped one more time if I remember correctly.

He eaked out a boring ass decision against average Witter and had the ugliest fight ever with Alexander.

There was no domination.

Also, Garcia? He beat Khan, Matthysse, Campbell, Judah, Holt, Herrera (on paper. Better resume than Bradley imo. Also beat these guys better than Bradley beat his guys.

Hell, even Khan's resume of Judah, Kotelnik, Maidana & Malignaggi is just as good, if not better than Bradley's.

[Divine Hammer]

One thing for certain, you all are die-hard, concoct any scenario to suit their argument, Manny fans. As a Manny fan myself - But without the distorted mentality - I can honestly state that without an independent scientific analysis to support the BS you guys are spewing\spinning, both were out of prime and therefore the prime argument cannot be raised as a cause\excuse for losing. If they had fought ten years ago, Floyd would have still been older than Manny, and had they fought then, Floyd would have still beat him. No imaginary constructs involving who's more shop-worn, would ever change the fact, that Manny is just not accustomed to fighting a tactical, defensive opponent.

"If he would have stayed still, I could have hit him more"

That statement alone, speaks volumes and demonstrates and acknowledges Manny's inability to deal with a tactical, defensive opponent.

That stated, and minus the independent scientific support, the fight played out and the best man won. Still and in spite of the adopted delusions shared by many Manny fan-tards, Floyd is older than Manny.

Who would think, that this has to be re-stated again and again and is in fact indisputable?

hahahahahaha you are so completely lost. of course they are both past their prime!!! but manny was even more so out of his prime because of all the wear and tear he has accumulated over the years of boxing since he was 16. if u have watched boxing long enough u'd know this concept. many times fighters have retired early/were past prime early because of the damaged they accumulated in the ring. honestly this isn't something new not just to boxing but ALL CONTACT SPORTS. hahahahahahaha seriously quit being so frickin naive.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Dominated? That's not how I remember it, maybe aside from Peterson. He went life and death with Holt and got dropped like a sack of shyt once and also dropped one more time if I remember correctly.

He eaked out a boring ass decision against average Witter and had the ugliest fight ever with Alexander.

There was no domination.

Also, Garcia? He beat Khan, Matthysse, Campbell, Judah, Holt, Herrera (on paper. Better resume than Bradley imo. Also beat these guys better than Bradley beat his guys.

Hell, even Khan's resume of Judah, Kotelnik, Maidana & Malignaggi is just as good, if not better than Bradley's.

Other than the 2 K.Ds he completely dominated Holt, put on a damn good display of body punching. There was no life and death fight, if anything that was one of his best performances, even with getting dropped twice.

[big_james10]

Looking through Floyd's resume and thinking that Toney's resume whoops Floyds. Is Mayweather's win over Cotto or non-prime Pac a better win thaqt Toney's over Michael Nunn?

Truth: Floyd doesn't care. In fact, nobody cares except you and the other haters on this message board.