"SOG" Ward vs "Good Boy" Golovkin @ 168 lbs/12 Stone: Who wins?

[Barcham]

there are lots of biased people in these threads.


some of you clearly don't even watch andre ward fight.


the smart money is on ward on points. that's what vegas odds will indicate.

Difficult to watch a guy who only fights once every two years. Makes it very difficult to judge where his ability currently is as well, when he fights out of shape, unprepared, fat nobodies who only show up for a payday.

I judge fighters by what they do in the ring TODAY. Not by what they did 4 years ago against fighters who are now retired like Froch and Kessler. When and if Ward gets in the ring against a serious top 5 contender, then and only then will we have an accurate idea of where he currently stands. But if we go by what we currently know, he is really good at fighting bloated tomato cans at a catchweight of 172. Nothing more than that.

[Nay_Sayer]

I wonder what lawsuits ggg's fan base will file once he gets outclassed and dominated for 12 rounds.

LOL. We'd have to organize a Golovtard mass-suicide watch.

What ward's detractors don't realize is ward is B hop 2.0. He has the ring iq of a 49 y/o Hopkins and a young man's body to go with it. That's what makes ward a high risk fight for anybody. Any fighter he faces from light heavy on down will need to ko him to beat him .

^This right here...

[Nay_Sayer]

More accomplished is obviously not the same as better

Well, I have yet to see any evidence that Bumlovkin is actually a better fighter than Froch. Resume is ALL we have to go on and Froch's resume takes a HUGE dump on Bumlovkin's. Wake me when the Triple Duck fights someone with a pulse.

Froch bigger puncher, doubtful

Froch has one punch KO'ed guys at 168lbs. OTOH, when Bumlovkin puts guys down @ 160, they get back up and go rounds. Wake me when the Triple Duck has one punch KO'ed guys @ 168lbs. Until then, Froch is the bigger puncher.

Ward didn't fight Dawson, he fought his corpse.

You mean like the Walking Dead Bumlovkin has been feasting on for the WHOLE of his career? Fact is, Dawson was coming off of the Hopkins victory - the same Hopkins who remains the best win on Kovalev's resume. Chad is the more accomplished fighter were Bumlovkin is concerned.

FACTS.

Learn to live with them.

[HeroBando]

Well, I have yet to see any evidence that Bumlovkin is actually a better fighter than Froch. Resume is ALL we have to go on and Froch's resume takes a HUGE dump on Bumlovkin's. Wake me when the Triple Duck fights someone with a pulse.


Froch has one punch KO'ed guys at 168lbs. OTOH, when Bumlovkin puts guys down @ 160, they get back up and go rounds. Wake me when the Triple Duck has one punch KO'ed guys @ 168lbs. Until then, Froch is the bigger puncher.


You mean like the Walking Dead Bumlovkin has been feasting on for the WHOLE of his career? Fact is, Dawson was coming off of the Hopkins victory - the same Hopkins who remains the best win on Kovalev's resume. Chad is the more accomplished fighter were Bumlovkin is concerned.

FACTS.

Learn to live with them.

No evidence either way, since they haven't fought. But Froch refused to fight the unproven, smaller guy in his hometown, which gives you a clue.

AFAIK none of GGG's opponents came down a whole division and were dead at the weight. Dawson no doubt was more accomplished at 175, but not at 168 where they fought. He had no credentials there, and obviously was in sad shape due to weight loss.

[joseph5620]

Just asking for some consistency. Guess it's too much.

Ggg said that he said when HBO approached them about it, Ward said no. No denial from Ward, in fact he said recently it wasn't the right time then.

You mean when Ward was tied up in litigation and couldn't fight anybody? That's utterly comical that you view that time period as Golovkin's "acceptance" of a Ward fight.


Golovkin has publicly said he will not fight Ward over 164. But would for Chavez jr and Froch. Trying to put a spin on that as if Ward doesn't want the fight is pathetic on your part.

[HeroBando]

You mean when Ward was tied up in litigation and couldn't fight anybody? That's utterly comical that you view that time period as Golovkin's "acceptance" of a Ward fight.


Golovkin has publicly said he will not fight Ward over 164. But would for Chavez jr and Froch. Trying to put a spin on that as if Ward doesn't want the fight is pathetic on your part.

What's utterly comical is that Ward was claiming Ggg was ducking him at that time, yet it comes out Ggg said yes, Ward said no at the time.

Team Ggg said Ward insists he's the A side, and they're prepared to give him 50/50 despite his lower fan appeal, but then they split everything 50/50 including the weight. For genuine A siders like Froch, Chavez, they're prepared to make a full weight concession. Just like Ward would drop to 160 for Floyd, but not 164 for Ggg.

Enough of your butthurt, when are we gonna see Ward Kovalev?

[joseph5620]

You want to tell us when GGG or his camp made a formal offer to Ward for a fight at 164? The only time there has been any offer or negotiations between the two sides was when HBO called them in for talks and GGG was ready and Ward was not. Since that day, there has been absolutely no contact between the two camps and all these claims people like to make were nothing but comments in interviews with media people.

THERE HAS NEVER BEEN ANY OFFER MADE TO WARD TO FIGHT AT 164.

Then that came out in the media, Loeffler was already in negotiations for the Lemieux fight. There was no way they would be trying to negotiate two major fights at the same time, especially when a Ward fight makes no sense, either financially or career goal wise, for GGG.

I guess people like to make a big spectacle of how ****** they are when they claim there were actual fight offers and talks going on when they know damn well there were not. Nice to see people who are not afraid to admit their idiocy.

Yeah that's it. It's all a conspiracy to make Golovkin look bad.

Keep dreaming, old man. Pounding on your keyboard with long rants doesn't change anything.

[joseph5620]

What's utterly comical is that Ward was claiming Ggg was ducking him at that time, yet it comes out Ggg said yes, Ward said no at the time.

Team Ggg said Ward insists he's the A side, and they're prepared to give him 50/50 despite his lower fan appeal, but then they split everything 50/50 including the weight. For genuine A siders like Froch, Chavez, they're prepared to make a full weight concession. Just like Ward would drop to 160 for Floyd, but not 164 for Ggg.

Enough of your butthurt, when are we gonna see Ward Kovalev?

I would like to see Ward fight Golovkin and Kovalev . The only "butt hurt" going on is with delusional little casual fans like you who are in denial about Golovkin refusing to fight Ward over 164. Although he was willing to fight both Froch and Chavez jr at 168. Ward pulled up Golovkin's skirt and showed the boxing world who truly doesn't want the fight.

But you're either too dumb or too in love to see the truth. Golovkin publicly acknowledged this but you're too much of a simpleton to accept it.

[HeroBando]

I would like to see Ward fight Golovkin and Kovalev . The only "butt hurt" going on is with delusional little casual fans like you who are in denial about Golovkin refusing to fight Ward over 164. Although he was willing to fight both Froch and Chavez jr at 168. Ward pulled up Golovkin's skirt and showed the boxing world who truly doesn't want the fight.

But you're either too dumb or too in love to see the truth. Golovkin publicly acknowledged this but you're too much of a simpleton to accept it.

I'd love to see GGG fight Ward and Canelo as well. So what now? Why aren't you ****ting on Ward for not answering Kovalev's challenge right now? I mean, if GGG has to fight Ward right now, why is Ward absolved? At least GGG has a division to unify, and legit money fights in his division. His next one is on PPV. What's Ward's excuse?

[Barcham]

why doesnt ward fight at 175lbs? he's already wiped out 168.

he's only really been in one division his entire career yet he wiped out chad dawson who was a lightheavyweigth at a catchweight.

why doesnt ward go up to 175 where big money and big legacy figths await him?

He has? Has he fought DeGale? Groves? The Dirrells? Jack? Ramirez? Chudinov? Callum Smith?

I look at the top 10 ranked SMWs on RING and the only one Ward has fought is Abraham. Looks like Ward has a lot of people to fight at 168.