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    #71
    Let's put this to bed

    GGG is the it man of the moment to speak of because HBO AND K1 promotions has done a great job building up GGG. GGG's handlers have masterfully steered the boxing public's attention away from a Ward-GGG bout. That is true craftsmanship. So here we are today as fans of the sweet science actually acknowledging entertaining GGG as a threat to the most masterful boxer of this generation because of GGG's "size". Not skills, not accolades, but his size. This is hard evidence that many Mayweather detractors crave to place Mayweather in the best situation possible to produce a defeat.

    And if the rebuttal is "well, if Floyd is such a masterful boxer, why not beat GGG easily and silence everyone?!" That question sounds logical but it's terribly flawed in practice. Why? Mayweather fighting and defeating Pacquiao was the previous promise of silence by the public. Now that Floyd defeated Manny by a 10-2 avg, silence is still no where to be found. This proves, silence in boxing- at least regarding Mayweather's sake, is no where to be found and will never be granted. Even Roy Jones Jr. when he packed on some pounds and went up to heavyweight, he plucked the weakest champion of the division- John Ruiz who was slow, flat footed and predictable.

    Because we all know that GGG is not in the same GALAXY as Floyd boxing skill and athleticism-wise, can we just admit and say "we want to see if Floyd can take GGG's punch!" We all know GGG can't outbox Floyd so what's this really all about? Can Floyd take GGG's punch- that's what this is all about. The answer is NO. And we also already knew that. Opponents who are GGG's size can't seem to take his punch so why would we think a guy who walks around at 150 pre-training can take GGG's punches? Where is the logic and/or common sense??? As boxing fans, we make ourselves look like asses.

    Meanwhile, Its widely know that GGG has yet to accomplish what Floyd's accomplished. So how does GGG get the luxury of being spoken in the same breath as Floyd when GGG has yet to face a REAL CHALLENGE closer to his own natural weight- such as Andre Ward? Stop allowing the media hype train to travel us to crazy town before checking the final destination folks.

    On a final note to the respected Hall of Famer Ray "Boom-Boom" Mancini. You're not entitled to speak on what Floyd should do at age 38. As stated by another knowledgable boxing fan here on krikya360.com, "Mancini retired at 31, Floyd beat Oscar and Hatton at age 30, and demolished Marquez at age 32! So if Mancini is a "hall of fame" fighter, then Floyd is something very special, and on a way higher level than simply "hall of fame."

    Fighter of the Decade aka the People's Champ aka 8-Division aka The Modern Day Henry Armstrong, Manny Pacquiao, was defeated 10 rounds to 2 by the greatest boxer of his generation Floyd Joy Mayweather Jr.

    Give Floyd the same respect you would have given Manny Pacquaio had he defeated Floyd by saying "He has nothing left to prove."

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      #72
      Very Well Articulated

      Originally posted by StudentOfDaGame View Post
      It's hard to be objective when coming up with lists. So many factors to take into account e.g. WW2 & Civil rights era. How is it fair to compete with Thrilla in Manila from a historical point of view? Black America vs The Establishment. Louis vs Schmeling. The significance of those events can NEVER be topped. Nostalgia clouds the mind.

      From what I've seen with my own eyes Mayweather is a better Boxer than Louis, Pep, Ali and SRR. However I know greatness doesn't equate to skill set.

      1. SRR
      2. Ali
      3. Floyd
      4. Pep
      5. SRL
      6. Louis
      7. Armstrong
      8. Greb
      9. Joe
      10. Moore

      Of the top of my head, might seem more realistic in a decade or two.
      Nostalgia does cloud the mind. There were civil and cultural events surrounding many fights of the past such as Civil Rights Movement during Ali bouts. Those surrounding events add to Ali's overall perceived greatness. However when we talk about skills in the ring, the sweet science, it's easy to see that Floyd is more skilled than Ali, SRL, Hagler, Hearns, Duran etc. no amount of nostalgia can cloud that truth.

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        #73
        Next Story: "Vinny Pazienza Weighs In On Who Mayweather Must Fight To Enter Hall Of Fame"

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          #74
          Originally posted by ***1048;ATAS View Post
          Floyd is going to get a lot of credit after he retires. I think as more time goes on, the more people will say how great he was. The truth is people don't like him because to many people he comes off as a very unlikable character and it's difficult for people to give high praise to those they dislike. As time passes, those feelings will too and people will be able to recognize his ring accomplishments and fighting skills for what they truly are. Something about aging that allows people to forgive and forget, look at Tyson he was one of the most hated athletes in the world for a time and now he's everyone's favorite retired boxer. Even Ali was hated by millions of people during the height of his career.
          Id say even in the last 5 years floyd has gotten more credit than he used to. Most of these people havent been around when Lennox was an active fighter or they would remember all of the chit talking about him there was on the different boxing forums..... hes boring... he doesnt take enough risks, he fights scared... he holds too much... hes scared of tyson... blah blah blah.. A few years after retirement and Lennox is universally accepted as a top 10 heavyweight of all time. These days everyone forgets the same complaints about wlad were made about lennox back then.

          Oh yeah and he wouldnt sign away options with don king which made those fights hard to make... so just like floyd was 'afraid' of every arum fighter, lennox was 'afraid' of every don king fighter until one by one he KTFO of them after the fights finally got made.

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            #75
            If Lebron James had a Healthy K.Love and Kyrie they would of won the Finals..

            IF...

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              #76
              Floyd is already close to top 10 all time. So many haters and people That DKSAB. the best 130 fighter ever beats the undefeated top p4p killer at MW? That is absolutely unheard of.

              Yet Duran beat Barkley and everyone loses their mind...

              Floyd has already done enough in his career to be considered top 20. Does he match up well with ATG guys at 147-154? I don't think so, but from 130-140 I think the guy is damn near untouchable. Only whitaker and Duran can beat the guy.

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                #77
                Originally posted by -Antonio- View Post
                Floyd is already close to top 10 all time. So many haters and people That DKSAB. the best 130 fighter ever beats the undefeated top p4p killer at MW? That is absolutely unheard of.

                Yet Duran beat Barkley and everyone loses their mind...

                Floyd has already done enough in his career to be considered top 20. Does he match up well with ATG guys at 147-154? I don't think so, but from 130-140 I think the guy is damn near untouchable. Only whitaker and Duran can beat the guy.
                And Pryor.

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                  #78
                  Here's a couple of facts.
                  Floyd is not the best ever not even close and Floyd will not fight GGG. GGG would destroy Diva Floyd. There's no way he can run for 12 rds and when GGG does connect and that's inevitable, Floyd will not know what him.
                  It's a fantasy matchup but Floyd know a to stay very clear from GGG.

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                    #79
                    Thats fair. I mean top 10 of all time? Id never be able to accept that but if Floyd beat GGG he'd definitely rank. Just has to many losses to be an all time great

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                      #80
                      Originally posted by nivek535 View Post
                      nope.
                      people will always find a reason for why mayweather sucks.
                      if its a decision, may ran hugged paid judges
                      if it's at a catchweight, ggg was drained
                      if it's at 160, ggg was a hype job
                      this is true

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