The casual fans got it right, while "Hardcore fans" act like their ***** dont stink.

[Rip Chudd]

Boxing is becoming the only sport were its core fans are against its "players" being skilled. They would rather 2 men who do not make the effort to master their craft get in and slug it out.

I can't imagine in any other sport, even a combat sport, that skill would be deemphasized as a means to entertainment.

Kinda reminds me of that movie "Black Knight" when Martin Lawrence goes back in time and ends up fighting this dude in the woods. The guy starts swinging and Martin is slipping and blocking punches and the guy says "What are you doing?" and Martin says "Boxing"

[Jc8804]

The casual fans know what it's really about, they flick the channel, if it isn't going to entertain, they flick to the next. They wont waste their time or money on something that's boring.

While these Phony"hardcore boxing fans" have their heads so far up their a55e5, they act like their ***** don't stink out arenas.


These "Hardcore Fans" that don't stick up for the sport are to blame. We have "fans" bending over letting promoters/fighters take them for their money for stale fights.
Practically handing over their money, siding with the fighter's excuse for failing to entertain, and not sticking up for the boxing fans.

They keep lying to themselves, saying they don't get bored.

It's like they want people to know they enjoy watching paint dry, acting like there's some incredible stuff going on behind the scenes that will give them credibility.

When in reality, they're just sitting there, watching paint dry,wasting time, missing out on what the causals are doing, having fun .

You'll never catch the casual fan doing some dumb ***** like that, they're not that ******.


Stop lying to yourself, all these fights fit within two extremes
(Boring--------------------watchable----------------------Entertaining)

Where only about 5% of Phony "Hardcore Fans" would say a boring fight entertained them for what ever reason the use to justify it.

Now because the fake fans are not looking for the viewers best interest in "pure entertainment", fights have tipped over to the Boring side because they let fighters get away with it.



These fighters are now using the excuse of not getting hit, even if it cost them the fight. Fights on the line, and they wait it out, if the opportunity doesn't come as a gift-box birthday present, they're ok with it, even if it means loosing the fight.

As a result there's no passion from these fighters. They just come and take the pay check, no entertainment, just a dry transaction, taking you for your money and time.

Yeah tmt fans are deep thoaters. On call and not even on the pay roll. Got one peen in their mouth and 2 other peens in each hand with knee pads on.

No matter what they defend. I never seen a tmt fan say man i cant support that. Or man i wanna see my fighter fight so and so as well.

[Deevel916]

Not boxing most of the time. Truth be told, casuals and hardcores really want the same thing, exciting fights.

It's just that hardcores are prepared to put up with less exciting fights and can garner some degree of enjoyment out of them whereas casuals cannot.

In some cases, its almost as if they prefer actionless fights. If that's your cup of tea then cool. If an actionless chessmatch is what you prefer, how about you just go to the park and watch 2 old guys actually play chess.

[Syf]

A good fighter needs to balance self preservation with trying to be entertaining. Boxing, after all, is not a fight held in a basement, it's held for entertainment purposes.

Having said that, there are nuances and details that a casual observer would not grasp about a boxing match.

Personally, I used to delight in Mayweather's defensive wizardry, but as of late he has become a less entertaining fighter for sure. Tying a guy up doesn't require much talent or prowess so he is doing himself a disservice when he over uses that, Ala Maidana 2. It undermines the mystique he took all those years to build. But oh well.

[The Big Dunn]

Kinda reminds me of that movie "Black Knight" when Martin Lawrence goes back in time and ends up fighting this dude in the woods. The guy starts swinging and Martin is slipping and blocking punches and the guy says "What are you doing?" and Martin says "Boxing"

LMFAO!!! It is getting a little crazy. I wonder if hardcore wrestling fans, like at an Iowa v Iowa State match or the Olympics, go on the internet and suggest the best wrestlers not work on their skills and be fat so they could get more entertained.

They tend to be entertained by a high display of wrestling skill.

[Rip Chudd]

In some cases, its almost as if they prefer actionless fights. If that's your cup of tea then cool. If an actionless chessmatch is what you prefer, how about you just go to the park and watch 2 old guys actually play chess.

[The Big Dunn]

In some cases, its almost as if they prefer actionless fights. If that's your cup of tea then cool. If an actionless chessmatch is what you prefer, how about you just go to the park and watch 2 old guys actually play chess.

We don't want actionless fights, we want guys like Manny, for example, to learn basic skills like cutting off the ring, like the power puncher/pressure fighters of other generations, so when they fight a master boxer the fight will be entertaining.

What we do not understand is fans like you that call out boxers for moving, something that has been done since the sport began, and not complain that certain fighters haven't developed all the skills necessary to counter that and make the fight entertaining.

If LeBron misses 2 FT's, do you get mad at the dude that fouled him?

Why do boxers have to make it easy for those less skilled to win?

[Deevel916]

We don't want actionless fights, we want guys like Manny, for example, to learn basic skills like cutting off the ring, like the power puncher/pressure fighters of other generations, so when they fight a master boxer the fight will be entertaining.

What we do not understand is fans like you that call out boxers for moving, something that has been done since the sport began, and not complain that certain fighters haven't developed all the skills necessary to counter that and make the fight entertaining.

If LeBron misses 2 FT's, do you get mad at the dude that fouled him?

Why do boxers have to make it easy for those less skilled to win?

So the onus is on the other fighter to make a fight against a "master boxer" entertaining? What does that say about the "master boxer"?

[Divine Hammer]

exactly hahahahahahaha. i like how it's completely taboo to say a fight or a fighter is boring. these purist nerds are not helping this sport at all. they defend and encourage boring fighters instead of encouraging the more exciting ones. they insult fighters like GGG, pacquiao, kovalev, lomachenko, rigondeaux, gonzalez, etc. all exciting fighters who do their best to entertain. it's disgusting.

this sport will never grow if these purist nerds hang around enthusiastically eating up boring fights and fighters while dismissing the exciting ones.

imo p4p should take into consideration exciting fighters, which is why guys like ward and floyd aren't in my top 5 p4p.

[The Big Dunn]

So the onus is on the other fighter to make a fight against a "master boxer" entertaining? What does that say about the "master boxer"?

Dude, nice spin attempt. There is a reason "styles make fights".

If you have all the skills, you can adapt to any style. When you don't, you make it easier for your opponent to win. Simple as that. This works the opposite in other sports.

Not being able to make FT's, for example, means basketball games are often closer than they should be and thus more dramatic. Not being able to cut off the ring or neutralize a right hand in boxing causes you to stop punching and makes the fight boring and uneventful.

It is startling that posters like you would not criticize a pro boxer to get away with not mastering his craft and criticize those that have.

You said yesterday you like Tennis. I guess Serena and Djokavic should get worse to make their matches more enjoyable?