Collazo & Herrera: Differences In The Cut Reaction Caused By The Al Haymon Effect?

[jqSide]

It really looked like (after hearing the post fight interview) Collazo was more excited about his next fight with Haymon than anything else. Most fighters, especially when they saw some holes in their opponent's game, would either continue or demand a rematch. Seemed he's resigned to being beat from the start.

[Joey_Torreo]

No. Thank you. Good examples here to demonstrate my point further. Both Geale and Willie Monroe Jr sustained actual knockdowns against them and were visibly in poor condition. Geale got knocked down twice, Monroe Jr 3 times. Those two are actually good examples of when fighters are justified in not wanting to continue. These situations do happen.

Now Collazo didn't get knocked down a singe time, and in fact he landed the best punch of the night and nearly knocked Thurman down. He just felt that he had a slight injury, knew that he was destined to be paid if he was able to fight again, so he just jumped to a conclusion that its better to not fight and risk further injury because that would just delay his next payday.

Thanks for providing two examples to further emphasize, drive home, solidify and cement my original point, infusing more certainty, veracity and validation in the excellent points I had previously espoused. The truth most certainly enjoys company, I can tell you.

Damn, you didn't have to give the homie a vocabulary lesson lol

[Dyl-G]

Op is probably right. Jcc GIF was perfect timing lol

[Sweet Jones]

Damn, you didn't have to give the homie a vocabulary lesson lol

Vocabulary lesson? Really?

You've got to stop being so easily impressed, my friend.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Many were shocked to see Collazo retire on his stool against Thurman after what seemed like a minor cut. He's always been known as a tough, gritty fighter who would never quit.

Collazo said "I couldn't see clearly out of my eye. Didn't want to take unnecessary shots especially at this point in my career."

Isn't that what the doctor is there for, to determine how serious an injury is? Why was Collazo so comfortable with retiring? He just shrugged his shoulders and quit as if it was nothing.

Collazo also said: "I want to fight again and I will. I'll be back!"

It was like Collazo knew he'd be back in the ring regardless of the outcome. Now I strongly suspect this boils down to the contract signed with Al Haymon. We've seen such deal structures before with lots of Haymon fighters, Floyd being the obvious example:- 6 Showtime fights with $32M per fight guaranteed. Collazo must have a similar deal structure - for example 6 fights with guaranteed $500K per fight minimum purse, or some sort of variation of that.

And is this why Collazo didn't feel compelled to fight on because he knew that he had future paydays already lined up. By signing contracts like these with fighters, is Haymon creating a situation where fighters don't feel the need to give it their all because they know they'll fight again and get paid either way? Does it remove a certain urgency & drive from the fighter, and actually effect how a fight will play out?

We saw on the same night, Herrera received 2 cuts over both eyes. One of those cuts seemed to be far worse than Collazo's cut, much more blood was gushing out, his eyelid was hanging off his face but Herrera didn't show any real signs of quitting.

When we peel back the layers of this I think Herrera was in the moment and knew that his fight with Lundy dictated his future while Collazo just wasn't motivated to continue fighting because of the contractual promise & the guarantee of future riches regardless whether he won or lost against Thurman.

A difference caused by the Al Haymon effect? When you guarantee boxers fights and money, especially veterans like Collazo, they don't feel the need to give it their all anymore, they just feel like they need to make an appearance.

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I see the point of the writer but a win was more beneficial to Collazo than a loss unless he is happy wallowing in mediocrity.

The Herrera cut was bad, real bad. It was more like a tear and you could tell it was getting worse. It was also in the worst place you can get one, inside the eye socket close to the nose. Those cuts force the blood to run into the eye.

The Collazo cut wasn't anywhere near as bad. It was located on the outside of the eye, where blood tends to run out and can be wiped away. I just think Collazo felt Thurman's power and didn't want to continue.

I respect Collazo as a tough vet but he quit.

[Tom Cruise]

I think its difficult to compare a guy like Collazo, a tough vet at the end of his career, to Herrera, who is in line to fight for a World Title soon vs either Postol or Matthysse

[Sweet Jones]

I think what he's saying is that if Collazo didn't have any contract fight agreements to look forward to and wasn't sure what his future had in store he would've kept fighting. I know that nobody knows what his agreement is with Haymon but judging by Collazo's reaction after the fight, it isn't that bad of an assumption or theory. I mean Collazo looked and sound almost excited for what the future had for him. Who says those things and acts that way after they quit on their stool. I know it's just the TS opinion but not a bad theory. I personally feel Thurman was just hurting him bad that last round and Collazo didn't want to get stopped. He wanted to at least be able to say he hurt Thurman and only quit because of not being able to see. As for what he said in the post fight interview, who knows. The only thing any of us can give is our opinion.

And since we don't know what Collazo's contract situation with Haymon is, it's pretty silly to speculate that the man quit based on some 'I-got-future-fights-with-Haymon-lined-up-so-I'm-straight' speculation.

It's especially silly when two other non-Haymon fighters who were similarly outgunned in fights trending the wrong way for them appeared to make the same 'business decision' as Collazo in highly publicized fights in the past few weeks.

The OP is entitled to his opinion. It's just a really, really silly opinion.

[Savage Poster]

I think its difficult to compare a guy like Collazo, a tough vet at the end of his career, to Herrera, who is in line to fight for a World Title soon vs either Postol or Matthysse

Herrera is a year older than Collazo, . And Herrera has been in some tough wars against the likes of Ruslan Provodnikov, Mike Alvarado, and Johan Perez to name a few.

[Tom Cruise]

Herrera is a year older than Collazo, . And Herrera has been in some tough wars against the likes of Ruslan Provodnikov, Mike Alvarado, and Johan Perez to name a few.

Doesnt change the difference between where they are in their careers though does it? Herrara in line for title shot, Collazo on the verge of retirement.

[Luilun]

Luis Collazo is Puerto Rican and Mauricio Herrera is Mexican. That explains everything. End thread.

So is that why Cotto took the Knee ?