Exposing the inaccuracy of Compubox

[Prime 407]

my summary of the fight from analyzing it in depth. pac clearly won 6 rounds: 3,4,6,7,8, and 10. floyd clearly won 5 rounds: 1,2,5,11,12. The 9th round really was a toss up if i had to lean i would probably give it to pac for simply landing the harder punches. An even round is also fine and giving it to floyd isn't wrong at all. So my card would be either 7-5 pac, 6-5-1 even pac or a draw 6-6.

my reasoning: round 3 a lot of people seem to give to floyd but I can't see why. pac outlanded him in total punches, power punches, and had the best punch of the round. round 6 floyd actually outlanded pac 15-14 but most of floyd's punches were jabs while all of pacs were power to the head and body and he also had floyd wobbled. A clear example of a round where quality over quantity *****s. Round 8 was also an example of quality over quantity as floyd outlanded pac 11-9 but pac stunned him with 3 great flush punches. floyd's power punches lacked any authority or flushness in this round and pac landed the 3 best punches of the round that slightly troubled floyd so I think he deserves this round.

Man I had it the same as you and I didn't need to count, we watched it live at the pub where we couldn't hear the commentary.

To us Floyd looked lost and Manny looked more tactical than usual, they both had a bad showing but it was not domination by Floyd.

[PACnPBFsuck]

This thread really isn't even about floyd-pac that much. Yes maybe it sheds some new light about that particular fight but it's more about how compubox isn't very accurate and how people base their decisions on something that is not very accurate. You will even have commentators quoting compubox numbers right after a round and I don't think that is something they should be doing when we know the numbers are not very accurate.

But who's claiming that it's accurate, it has always been a measuring stick. When these judges score a round, there's no Compubox stats, they go by what they see.

[MDPopescu]

... The judges are always scoring Floyd's ballet as well -- it's part of "imponderables"...

[daggum]

But who's claiming that it's accurate, it has always been a measuring stick. When these judges score a round, there's no Compubox stats, they go by what they see.

people on boxingscene are claiming its accurate. i know the judges don't see the numbers but i also know that judges generally suck. the announcers still shouldn't be throwing out numbers to the audience as if they were correct.

[DeadLikeMe]

So now it's Compubox fault, there is no shame anymore on this website.

Well the only thing half the posters on here are proud of got embarrassed in front of the world, so I'd imagine shame went right out the window along with their pride

These have been some of the greatest days in NSB history.

[y0z786]

What was the point in this thread? Manny lost get over it

[Dr Rumack]

The primary purpose of compubox is to serve warning to everyone else that the person referencing it is an idiot.

[Slick_Rick]

I have watched the fight only once (fight night) and thought Floyd won, but it was no way a schooling, and wasnt getting caught up in the overdramatisation of Floyd winning.

118-110 is ridiculously biased, i had it 8-4 or 7-5 to Floyd.

There were so many close rounds, and shots people seem to be scoring for Floyd included grazing punches that barley registered on Manny, doubt they they would scored in a amateur fight.

Compubox is totally inaccurate, dont know about the landed punches but the fact it claims Floyd outthew Manny is completely bogus, the operators must have unusually long binks.

[y0z786]

I have watched the fight only once (fight night) and thought Floyd won, but it was no way a schooling, and wasnt getting caught up in the overdramatisation of Floyd winning.

118-110 is ridiculously biased, i had it 8-4 or 7-5 to Floyd.

There so many close rounds, and shots people seem to be scoring counted grazing punches for Floyd that barley registering, don't even think they would score in a amateur fight.

Compubox is totally inaccurate, dont know about the landed punches but the fact it claims Floyd outthew Manny is completely bogus, the operators must have unusually long binks.

7-5 lmao

[sunny31]

To be honest I am still baffled by the whole event, and have spent my time since the fight questioning my own knowledge of boxing. I was going to start a thread similar to this which I was going to title 'Apparently there was a masterclass on May 2...I must have missed it'.

First of all I think it is important to mention I have Floyd winning the fight 8-4, but could easily see 9-3, 7-5, or 6-6, there was so many close rounds. I could not understand the Sky Sports commentary, it was a nip and tuck close fight, and they were talking like Floyd was in another stratosphere. I had it 5-3 after 8, to me a legitimately close fight, which was difficult to score and very back and forth, but they were using words like 'masterclass' and 'clinic'.

It totally ruined the fight for me, I can see the interpretation that Pacquiao didn't do enough, but I thought he fought a good tactical fight. He didn't close the show which was what I was disappointed with, when I was watching the fight live I genuinely thought he threw it away in the last 4 rounds and I stand by that interpretation, Floyd pulled away. But I cannot emphasis enough how far this was from a 'masterclass' or 'clinic' as lots of people thought. I felt like someone was trying to brainwash me, Floyd fought a good fight, a very good defensive fight, but both guys struggled to land or mount any kind of offensive dominance.

I have seen Floyd put on a 'clinic' before, in fact recently. His fight against Canelo was a clinic. His win over Guerrero turned into a clinic, against Hatton, Mosley, Marquez was an absolute clinic. But last Saturday was not even close!! It was a tactical fight, where both guys made adjustments along the way, and was not a very taxing fight for either guy, in fact neither guy looked like they had even been in a fight. I think this is why so many were disappointed, maybe the onus was on Pacquiao, I haven't quite decided whether either guy was to blame, because I thought they both fought pretty solid fights.

My general conclusions:

Floyd is the greatest fighter of this generation, but not based on the fight. One thing people often overlook is that Pacquiao is AT LEAST one clear weight division of natural size smaller than Mayweather. He was expected to win, I expected him to dominate, but he was not able to...why? Because Pacquiao is also great fighter and an underrated technician. I think when all is said and done these guys will be pretty close in terms of where they rank all time. I give Mayweather the edge because of his consistency and longevity, plus I think Floyd was more dominant generally throughout his career.

This brings me nicely on to my next point: What happened to this weak and frail fighter that would show up as soon as there was random testing? Can the Pacquiao naysayers finally please sit down, especially the Mayweather camp, and Paulie Malignaggi who was still eluding to Pacquiao 'juicing' in his post fight interview. Give it a rest already, it is so boring! The guy was tested and to be frank looked physically the same as he always did, albeit more hesitant. He hit Floyd with ok shots and rocked him, they weren't even full blooded punches. The Mayweather's especially Floyd Snr and Roger thought Pacquiao would get KO'd early, both insinuating that as long as there was random testing...'you gonna see what it is'...sure! I think in many ways, in my eyes at least this fight solidified Pacquiao's greatness and ability, he pushed Floyd fairly close in a tactical fight, a fighter who is naturally bigger, one of the greatest of all time and technically the best i have ever seen. Its a shame most won't see it that way.

Mythbusters:

Myth: That Floyd is the puncher of the two and could stand and trade with Pacquiao if he wanted.

Truth: Not a chance, he would have gone the same as the others had he employed these tactics, as I previously said he got rocked in the 4th round by a left hand counter lead which was far from a devastating punch, also rocked slightly in the 6th by a grazing left hook. Pacquiao took some solid shots from Floyd in return, in particular a tremendous right uppercut, and he never shook Pacquiao up once.

Myth: Pacquiao could overwhelm Mayweather with volume punching and steal rounds.

Truth: Again no, Floyd controls distance and volume alone was not going to do for Pacquiao, unless you are a much bigger fighter than him and able to disregard his punches, this won't work.

My biggest disappointment is that this was a good fight between two all time greats, that at the time at least is not appreciated for what it was.