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    #51
    Originally posted by Pigeons View Post
    American boxing hasn't gone anywhere. It maybe dead at the amateur level, but America still runs the pro game.

    There are 11 lineal champions in boxing. America has 5 (Ward-SMW, Mayweather-JMW, Mayweather-WW, Garcia-JWW, Crawford-LW). Cuba has 2. No other country has more than 1.

    America has 19 title belts currently. No other country has more than 8.

    It's no contest really.


    As if "LINEAL" champ has any significance in the 21st century!

    Arguing with lineal titles has to be now one of the most childish arguments one could make..

    Like saying.. "My featherfist bummy boxer is better than your elite fighter because he's the lineal champ." even though the other guy is also a champ and clearly recognised as the better fighter.

    Even when the lineal champ had more meaning, it was STILL questionable as the it's credibility on occasion..

    Like when green cruiser featherfist career bum Leon Spinks held it in the presence of Larry Holmes, and like when Michael Spinks held it in the presence of Mike Tyson.

    I think that by the time George Foreman got hold of the lineal championship and squandered it away by dropping the titles, in reality losing it to Axel Schultz and then officially losing it in a fight he should have been awarded to Briggs, the lineal championship idea is dead.

    The lineal champion should only be regarded as the best when they ARE the best! Simple as that.

    Everbody knows that Golovkin or Kovalev for example could lay waste to all comers.

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      #52
      Originally posted by Weebler I View Post
      Apparently so, one guy who doesn't fight and the other a 40 year old who took 6 years to fight the #2 in his own division.

      #domination
      Haha, spot on!

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        #53
        How is Wilder the king when Wlad retires?

        Theres Fury and Povetkin out there, who have arguably better resumes

        The WBC belt gives Wilder a top 5 ranking at Heavyweight, nothing more

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          #54
          Originally posted by techliam View Post
          How is Wilder the king when Wlad retires?

          Theres Fury and Povetkin out there, who have arguably better resumes

          The WBC belt gives Wilder a top 5 ranking at Heavyweight, nothing more
          A more respectable opinion.

          The TS obviously has an agenda...

          What a ninny!

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            #55
            At the end of the day, America is the Land of Milk and Honey with a lot of folks coming over to 'get theirs'. Look at this list: Wilder is American, Kovalev is American, Ward is American, GGG is now an American, Gayweather is American, Garcia is American, Crawford is American, Loma is American, and Rigo is an American. That's a wide weight spectrum of talent. So 'America' is doing just fine in boxing.

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              #56
              Originally posted by $£X View Post
              Are Americans taking boxing back? ...
              ... I suspect that by "Americans" you mean fighters from the "Americas" (i.e. the "New World") -- not just U.S.!?!...

              ... And, again, by "Americans" I guess you mean Al Haymon and not his fighters!?!...

              ... The U.S. fighters own just few weight divisions right now: 140; 147 and 168 (in case Andre Ward shows up, finally)... As for the rest, I really don't know...

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                #57
                Originally posted by LaidOut View Post
                At the end of the day, America is the Land of Milk and Honey with a lot of folks coming over to 'get theirs'. Look at this list: Wilder is American, Kovalev is American, Ward is American, GGG is now an American, Gayweather is American, Garcia is American, Crawford is American, Loma is American, and Rigo is an American. That's a wide weight spectrum of talent. So 'America' is doing just fine in boxing.
                ... You're a pure genius... I suspect that when Naoya Inoue shows up in the U.S., he will instantly become a "native", right?

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                  #58
                  Originally posted by MDPopescu View Post
                  ... You're a pure genius... I suspect that when Naoya Inoue shows up in the U.S., he will instantly become a "native", right?
                  Yeah ahahaha.

                  I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry.

                  I mean if he was serious then he needs help.

                  But I suspect he was joking in which case I kinda liked his style

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                    #59
                    Man, Europeans needs to stop their pathetic whining and start producing some proper fighters. I know it must feel annoying...

                    "Ah, it's so nice to have Wladimir as the champ! Oh? Who is that young, tall, athletic and extremely powerful American boxer who makes me fear for Wladimir's safety? Wladimir doesn't have to fight him, Wilder sucks! Wladimir should fight Fury, he looks more dangerous than Wilder!"

                    I'm almost laughing everytime Wladimir mentions Wilder AND Fury. No, Wladimir, just stick to mentioning ONLY Wilder or just admit that you will duck him and choose to fight Fury instead! Fury is your excuse to duck Wilder.

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                      #60
                      Originally posted by $£X View Post
                      Man, Europeans needs to stop their pathetic whining and start producing some proper fighters. I know it must feel annoying...

                      "Ah, it's so nice to have Wladimir as the champ! Oh? Who is that young, tall, athletic and extremely powerful American boxer who makes me fear for Wladimir's safety? Wladimir doesn't have to fight him, Wilder sucks! Wladimir should fight Fury, he looks more dangerous than Wilder!"

                      I'm almost laughing everytime Wladimir mentions Wilder AND Fury. No, Wladimir, just stick to mentioning ONLY Wilder or just admit that you will duck him and choose to fight Fury instead! Fury is your excuse to duck Wilder.
                      You're really pushing here. People want wlad to fight wilder because everybody knows wilder isn't that good. And you sure like generalising Europeans. Europe is made of a variety of different nationalities and boxing styles. Wlad is Ukrainian. In a lot of cases some European countries are more likely to root against other European countries. Stop being ignorant and presuming a whole continent is the same. That's like saying Argentina and Mexico produce the same fighters

                      Why doesn't wilder mention povetkin? It just seems strange that he's looking for the easiest path here. Why did wilder need to fight 30 stiffs while fury and even Chisora were calling him out?

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