Official Floyd Mayweather- Manny Pacquiao Postfight aftermath discussion

[JoeKidd]

"Everyone has a plan until they get hit"

Except this guy didn't even wait to get hit!

[KRITKL]

It's still inexcusable, Clottey had size, more defensively equipped than those guys, good enough hand speed to lead with the left hook and quickly transition back to his shell. It's more to do with not having the IQ to see it.

That said, that was a great performance from Pacquiao and I expected him to dominate.

SMH. He seen it.
Your killing me over here, so when Floyd stops his opponents output it's because Floyd is confusing and countering them.
When it happens to Pacs opponents it's because they're not smart enough.

[jmc90]

Fight

I'm torn up on this fight, and the more I think about it, the harder it gets to pick a winner, but I'm leaning towards a Pac UD/SD win.

A few things I've noticed...



This punch seems to be working very good for Manny. He tagged Marquez in fight no. 4 and wobbled him bad. He caught Bradley with it hard in fight #2 and he absolutely splattered Algieri with it. Those crazy angle shots are the ones he could put Money May in big trouble with.

It's also been mentioned about Mayweather's defence not being perfect for southpaws, especially not with a high work-rate.

To me the Bradley fights 1&2 showed a lot about how Pacquiao can deal with a fighter that moves a lot. Bradley uses some serious body movement and footwork in those fights, but Pac was so relentless that Bradley ended up spraining about 3 ankles trying to get away while punches were raining in from absolutely everywhere.

I think that Bradley is one of the best movers in boxing right now, but his heart ruling his head has made him look worse than he is (ie feeling a point to prove and going toe to toe with Provodnikov, Chaves). He seems to get reckless when he feels fans are against him. An example of Bradley's good movement was in the Provodnikov fight where, even when out on his feet, ducked and dodged about 12-15 vicious punches on the ropes.



(1:57 - 2:20) (3:42-4:05 being the opposite!)

Floyd Mayweather will be getting out the way a lot smoother than Bradley I'll give him that, but I don't think he has the ability to keep up all that movement for 12 rounds:

If Pacquiao throws maybe twice as many punches as Floyd, and Floyd gets on the ropes, he may find it harder to get away as the fight goes on. Floyd was (and understandably) slower in round 4 of the Maidana fight after the big shot at the end of round 3. I can see Pac landing more than Maidana, and If he can do enough, he could take the wind out of Floyd and do damage on the ropes.

Also, the comparison of Floyd and Marquez's style seems a bit off to me, as Marquez is basically willing to risk getting KO'ed to land any punch, plus even if he gets knocked down, he's straight back up. Froch-like chin. May beat Marquez because Marquez had to take the fight to him, and blew-up practically 3 weight divisions, and looked in the worst shape I've seen him in championship fights. Slow, heavy-footed and getting picked off with counters. Bradley also showed what happened when you don't go steaming into Marquez like a bull (and that was when JMM was a fully-fledged welter and possibly juiced to the gills).

Both guys have solid chins, and even though Pac was decimated by Marquez, that was literally the most perfect timing, positioning combined with biggest mistake all in one moment. With May's regular gloves I can't see him KO'ing Pac, and even if Pac does drop or hurt Money with a shot off balance or a flash KD, May has the goods to go 12 with anyone. I guess the only hope for either for a KO would be a sick body shot, which I just can't envision (but who knows?)

Overall, I see the higher work-rate, crazy angles, power, hand speed advantage of Pac being able to (only just) overcome the ever so slightly ageing legs of Mayweather (still great footwork) and tip-top defence and counter-punching.

I just hope Manny doesn't come out with too much respect and we see a Maidana-Mayweather 3 type fight, but with an upgraded Maidana in all departments.

WAR Pacquaio!!!

(P.S. Floyd's in big trouble if Dionesa Pacquiao gets a ticket!)

[Doctor_Tenma]

SMH. He seen it.
Your killing me over here, so when Floyd stops his opponents output it's because Floyd is confusing and countering them.
When it happens to Pacs opponents it's because they're not smart enough.

I'm talking more of the quality that is Clottey.

I've been critical of Mayweather's opponents as well, Cotto for example, almost every right hand he threw got rolled, his right hand didn't serve as much of a purpose in that fight, even said he should have gone to the body with it which would have benefited him.

[Doctor_Tenma]

I'm torn up on this fight, and the more I think about it, the harder it gets to pick a winner, but I'm leaning towards a Pac UD/SD win.

A few things I've noticed...



This punch seems to be working very good for Manny. He tagged Marquez in fight no. 4 and wobbled him bad. He caught Bradley with it hard in fight #2 and he absolutely splattered Algieri with it. Those crazy angle shots are the ones he could put Money May in big trouble with.

It's also been mentioned about Mayweather's defence not being perfect for southpaws, especially not with a high work-rate.

To me the Bradley fights 1&2 showed a lot about how Pacquiao can deal with a fighter that moves a lot. Bradley uses some serious body movement and footwork in those fights, but Pac was so relentless that Bradley ended up spraining about 3 ankles trying to get away while punches were raining in from absolutely everywhere.

I think that Bradley is one of the best movers in boxing right now, but his heart ruling his head has made him look worse than he is (ie feeling a point to prove and going toe to toe with Provodnikov, Chaves). He seems to get reckless when he feels fans are against him. An example of Bradley's good movement was in the Provodnikov fight where, even when out on his feet, ducked and dodged about 12-15 vicious punches on the ropes.



(1:57 - 2:20) (3:42-4:05 being the opposite!)

Floyd Mayweather will be getting out the way a lot smoother than Bradley I'll give him that, but I don't think he has the ability to keep up all that movement for 12 rounds:

If Pacquiao throws maybe twice as many punches as Floyd, and Floyd gets on the ropes, he may find it harder to get away as the fight goes on. Floyd was (and understandably) slower in round 4 of the Maidana fight after the big shot at the end of round 3. I can see Pac landing more than Maidana, and If he can do enough, he could take the wind out of Floyd and do damage on the ropes.

Also, the comparison of Floyd and Marquez's style seems a bit off to me, as Marquez is basically willing to risk getting KO'ed to land any punch, plus even if he gets knocked down, he's straight back up. Froch-like chin. May beat Marquez because Marquez had to take the fight to him, and blew-up practically 3 weight divisions, and looked in the worst shape I've seen him in championship fights. Slow, heavy-footed and getting picked off with counters. Bradley also showed what happened when you don't go steaming into Marquez like a bull (and that was when JMM was a fully-fledged welter and possibly juiced to the gills).

Both guys have solid chins, and even though Pac was decimated by Marquez, that was literally the most perfect timing, positioning combined with biggest mistake all in one moment. With May's regular gloves I can't see him KO'ing Pac, and even if Pac does drop or hurt Money with a shot off balance or a flash KD, May has the goods to go 12 with anyone. I guess the only hope for either for a KO would be a sick body shot, which I just can't envision (but who knows?)

Overall, I see the higher work-rate, crazy angles, power, hand speed advantage of Pac being able to (only just) overcome the ever so slightly ageing legs of Mayweather (still great footwork) and tip-top defence and counter-punching.

I just hope Manny doesn't come out with too much respect and we see a Maidana-Mayweather 3 type fight, but with an upgraded Maidana in all departments.

WAR Pacquaio!!!

(P.S. Floyd's in big trouble if Dionesa Pacquiao gets a ticket!)

It's not a good idea to use Bradley as an example, Bradley may not be feather fisted but for the most part he has to sell out to hurt his opponent. On top of that Bradley doesn't have a straight right hand, he may throw it occasionally but it's success is too far in between, that punch itself changes the dynamic in how one chooses to move around the ring.

[jmc90]

I think good sparring partners for Pac would be Bradley, Andrade, Lara and Khan.

Good for May would be Porter, Garcia, Martirosyan, possibly Thurman

[KRITKL]

I'm talking more of the quality that is Clottey.

I've been critical of Mayweather's opponents as well, Cotto for example, almost every right hand he threw got rolled, his right hand didn't serve as much of a purpose in that fight, even said he should have gone to the body with it which would have benefited him.

Fair enough.

[jmc90]

It's not a good idea to use Bradley as an example, Bradley may not be feather fisted but for the most part he has to sell out to hurt his opponent. On top of that Bradley doesn't have a straight right hand, he may throw it occasionally but it's success is too far in between, that punch itself changes the dynamic in how one chooses to move around the ring.

I didn't use bradley as an example of a puncher, I used him because he has very good foot/body movement, possibly the closest to Mayweather in the Welters.

[Doctor_Tenma]

I didn't use bradley as an example of a puncher, I used him because he has very good foot/body movement, possibly the closest to Mayweather in the Welters.

I understand that but still, when one is forced to sell out to land a good punch and is far more reliant on throwing overhand rights as opposed to the straight right hand, there gonna move in ways that would more benefit Pacquiao.

That's why I don't understand this....

"Floyd Mayweather will be getting out the way a lot smoother than Bradley I'll give him that, but I don't think he has the ability to keep up all that movement for 12 rounds"

Mayweather won't have to.

[KRITKL]

I understand that but still, when one is forced to sell out to land a good punch and is far more reliant on throwing overhand rights as opposed to the straight right hand, there gonna move in ways that would more benefit Pacquiao.

That's why I don't understand this....

"Floyd Mayweather will be getting out the way a lot smoother than Bradley I'll give him that, but I don't think he has the ability to keep up all that movement for 12 rounds"

Mayweather won't have to.

So you think Floyd is going to walk Pac down?