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Dunno if this has been posted, but Ariza on Pac's surgery.
They asked Ariza about it early Wednesday before Pacquiao's surgery. Ariza gave his opinion would probably get a shoulder scope and not invasive surgery. When asked to explain what he meant, this is what he said:
"It is surgery. It's not invasive. I mean, it's an outpatient clinic thing. You go in there and it takes less than a couple of hours. If there's nothing wrong, you can go back to functional movement the next day without them doing nothing; just moving around some things. They'll manipulate the shoulder in certain directions and areas and they'll start to look at connective tissues, ligaments, tendons, muscles; anything that can indicate that Manny really has a tear. They also said they have a MRI, but MRIs are about maybe 70-80% accurate on joints. You know, the soulder is like a map; it looks like a road map. Ligaments, tendons, muscles, and things like that, I mean, they just cross over each other, so it's a really complicated area. Once you get in there, you really get to see what you're doing. So they'll fill it up with a bunch of fluids so they'll be able to manipulate the shoulder, move the arm around, and see if there's any ligament damage or anything torn. But like I said, let's look into the crystal ball. This is what you're going to hear. Okay, they scope it and they'll find nothing wrong, so they'll say, "Manny Pacquiao has to go under extensive rehabilitation for 6 months." That's what you're going to hear, which is to say nothing more. There's nothing ****ing wrong with him."
he further elaborated:
"Let me tell you something, in my opinion, that's another lie that they offered Manny something. The Manny I know won't take aspirin, he won't take anti-inflammatories, he won't take cortizone, he won't do any of that ****. He won't do it. I mean, if it happened three weeks ago, why not give him a cortizone shot back then? You want to wait 60 minutes right before the ****ing fight to disclose? Wow, those are some real scumbag people, man. Now it becomes an issue of ripping people off in my opinion. There are people who paid ten times the amount of face value for a ticket and they lied right to their face. What a real good friend Freddie Roach is to Mark Wahlberg. He let that guy put a $250,000 bet on a ****ing injured fighter. I mean, if you came to me, Ben, and wanted to put that kind of bet on my fighter, I'd tell you, "**** no, Ben. His shoulder is ****ed!" The commission should look into this and they should suspend their license, they should suspend the team, and they should suspend Bob Arum."
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I believe Ariza somewhat. Like Arum said, he injured it in 2008 and fought normal. Now that he got schooled, he's pulling out the excuse card that's been in his pocket for 7 years to preserve what's left of his cash cow.
But its a moot point right now. One guy is 48-0 the other is #48.
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Long time “lurker” here. Against my good judgement, I thought I’d weigh-in on the fight (both in the ring and on these forums). A couple of things I took away from that night:
I had rounds 1-6 split 3/3, second half of the fight I thought Manny picked up 2 of the remaining 6 rounds for a final of 115-113 for Mayweather.
This was a lot closer a fight than most of Floyds fans will admit (which is frustrating), and BOTH fighters were lackluster in their performance. Manny came in way to heavy IMO and was slow on his feet, but there was no ‘clinic’ as some have claimed here. I understand that Mayweather did whatever it took to win (his words), but this included excessive of running, ducking & clinching. And that is not to take away from his beautiful straight right or his flawless timing. But you cannot ignore the other shenanigans he pulled if you want to objectively assess the fight. ‘Objectively’ being the key word here.
I’ve re-watched the fight twice since Saturday, and I still have Mayweather winning, but it is close. I need to add this though, there was a point early in the fight when Manny finally had Floyd shelled up on the ropes and he let off a flurry of punches, then out of nowhere he stopped the attack and stepped back, letting Floyd off the hook. Very uncharacteristic of MP (I can’t remember him ever doing this in a big time fight). From that point on, it was clear to me that he had some sort of injury and I was not surprised when it came out afterwards. If he doesn’t get injured, does that change the outcome? Maybe, maybe not. We will never know. However, I think it warrants at least a conversation about a rematch. I’d buy it again, and so would a majority of you. It is still the biggest money fight out there for Floyd, and if he decides to try for 50-0, what better way to go out then with the only other guy that could ever be considered the best of this generation? It would be an easy sell if Floyd was on board.
Lastly, after reading through these forums I have really soured on the Mayweather fan base. Yes, FM won. Yes, he is still considered the p4p best in the world. But my god, when you start claiming fake injuries and ‘flawless’ victories, it’s really hard to take you seriously. In a weird way, it’s almost as if FM’s insecurities have transferred to his fan base. Who cares what criticism or ‘excuses’ the MP fans come up with? Take a deep breath, realize Floyd is not perfect, but enjoy the win. He is still a top 25 all-time great (not the greatest, but that’s a debate for another day), and no one can take Saturdays victory away from him. Relax!
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