Al Haymon Groupies Be Like:

[al-Xander]

Yes! That's an argument every Mayweather love to use "but they are getting paid good money doe!" It's good for them but whats there for me as a boxing fan? what's there FOR THEM as boxing fans??? See, that makes me believe they even aren't no boxing fans, just fans of 2 particular individuals: Mayweather and HIS DAMN ADVISER/MANAGER. I don't care about other people's money because it's not going to my pockets, as a boxing fan I want to be entertained with great fights, so should they.

Yeah, it's mind-boggling to see mere fans care so much about how much money fighters make, "Oh, my uncle Haymon takes good care of them." Why they feel the need to justify Haymon's mismatches is beyond comprehension.

[torosboxing75]

Yes! That's an argument every Mayweather love to use "but they are getting paid good money doe!" It's good for them but whats there for me as a boxing fan? what's there FOR THEM as boxing fans??? See, that makes me believe they even aren't no boxing fans, just fans of 2 particular individuals: Mayweather and HIS DAMN ADVISER/MANAGER. I don't care about other people's money because it's not going to my pockets, as a boxing fan I want to be entertained with great fights, so should they.

Not to mention that at the same time things are not really going that great for his fighters because their stocks continue to drop due to ****ty match ups, etc where their career suffers, he's straight destroying them... and secondly they are under some slave contracts so I believe many of them are not really satisfied that much as Floyd/Al's groopies believe them to be.

Then on this type of threads they want to make you looking like you hate him because he's with Floyd, while in fact THEY root for him and are finding all types of excuses for every low blow he delivers to the sport of boxing just because he's associated with Floyd.

That'a exactly what makes them groupies. They are not boxing fans. They are fans of boxers.

[sicko]

I don't know why I needed a wall of text of a response. I'm just laughing at the sentence where you say you don't care about HBO or Showtime money, but you care about the boxers money? Well... who do you think pays these big ass fee's to the fighters when they appear on their network? There is only so much money to go around and when Haymon demands **** fee's for lame ass fights, again that isn't the networks fault. That's Haymon asking for too much and money and no good fights being made because the money was used for jobber 124.

It's short sighted thinking that "this guy has money he'll pay me what I want." That messes up the sport because as you say it's a BUSINESS. What business works well when it pays over inflated prices for everything?

Completely Missing the Point which is no surprise on this forum!

I don't care about either money to be honest but who am I or YOU to try and tell a fighter WTF he is "WORTH" or how much he "SHOULD MAKE"? Being a Champion, how well you Draw for the Networks, it is a collection of things that factors into how much a fighter is paid. Not just who he is fighting and what the fans THINK about his opponent.

Managers JOB is to get his Client the MOST MONEY POSSIBLE! Again nobody is forcing Networks to pay anything.

[al-Xander]

Giving Garcia $700K for fighting Salka and Santa Cruz $750K for fighting a sparring partner, just some examples, is not good business. It's short term. Of course, they then would demand astronomical sums for fighting riskier fights. And who would pay for it? These are not even Canelo-level, or Cotto-level fighters where the chance of getting a return on investment is at least better. It's idiotic. It will destroy the sport.

It's not rocket science.

[Da Machine]

Giving Garcia $700K for fighting Salka and Santa Cruz $750K for fighting a sparring partner, just some examples, is not good business. It's short term. Of course, they then would demand astronomical sums for fighting riskier fights. And who would pay for it? These are not even Canelo-level, or Cotto-level fighters where the chance of getting a return on investment is at least better. It's idiotic. It will destroy the sport.

It's not rocket science.

And whose fault is that? Haymons? Or is it Showtimes. Is it Haymons fault HBO paid Berto or HBO's fault.

Honestly really easy question. Now sit back and think about who you are blaming.

[al-Xander]

And whose fault is that? Haymons? Or is it Showtimes. Is it Haymons fault HBO paid Berto or HBO's fault.

Honestly really easy question. Now sit back and think about who you are blaming.

Yeah, Haymon must be a very charming snake. He's able to them pay for these mismatches of his. HBO finally got rid of him. And Espinoza is his current, inexperienced slave.

[radioraheem]

Yeah, Haymon must be a very charming snake. He's able to them pay for these mismatches of his. HBO finally got rid of him. And Espinoza is his current, inexperienced slave.

You never answered his question. It was pretty straight forward, almost like a yes or no.

[ИATAS]

Completely Missing the Point which is no surprise on this forum!

I don't care about either money to be honest but who am I or YOU to try and tell a fighter WTF he is "WORTH" or how much he "SHOULD MAKE"? Being a Champion, how well you Draw for the Networks, it is a collection of things that factors into how much a fighter is paid. Not just who he is fighting and what the fans THINK about his opponent.

Managers JOB is to get his Client the MOST MONEY POSSIBLE! Again nobody is forcing Networks to pay anything.

Look man, if you want to make it about how much money a fighter can get that's cool. What I'll ask you though is this - does Haymon help the SPORT of boxing by getting his fighters big money for crappy fights? Because if he's not and he's hurting the sport, that money is going to slowly dissapear.

As it was pointed out, this is a very short sighted way of looking at things. If you want to build the sport there has to be a consistency of good fights, championship level fights and fighters fighting other fighters that fans want to see. By having this short sighted view of making money right now, it hurts the sport and in the long run, there isn't going to be money for fighters. It's damaging potential earnings for future fighters. Look at showtimes pathetic ratings for 2014. You think Showtime can continue to pay this kind of money for below average ratings? No way. If that trend continues the budget will be cut not increased.

And again as I already pointed out, HBO did exactly what you said - they weren't forced to buy Haymons crappy fights and look what he did as a result, he took all his fighters to Showtime. That places Espinoza in a position where he feels he needs to do Haymon favors, buy whatever fights he proposes, or else potentially lose out on future opportunities with Haymon fighters. This isn't helping the sport. It's actually ruining Showtime boxing and he's alienated his fighters to one network (we'll see what happens with NBC Sports). This created a fued with HBO obviously so HBO fighters can't fight Haymon fighters, etc. It's a huge mess. The longevity and the overall health of the SPORT of boxing is our concern. Guys like Stevenson getting $2m to fight some trash fighter might help his bank account now, but it damn sure isn't helping the sport grow.

[radioraheem]

Look man, if you want to make it about how much money a fighter can get that's cool. What I'll ask you though is this - does Haymon help the SPORT of boxing by getting his fighters big money for crappy fights? Because if he's not and he's hurting the sport, that money is going to slowly dissapear.

As it was pointed out, this is a very short sighted way of looking at things. If you want to build the sport there has to be a consistency of good fights, championship level fights and fighters fighting other fighters that fans want to see. By having this short sighted view of making money right now, it hurts the sport and in the long run, there isn't going to be money for fighters. It's damaging potential earnings for future fighters. Look at showtimes pathetic ratings for 2014. You think Showtime can continue to pay this kind of money for below average ratings? No way. If that trend continues the budget will be cut not increased.

And again as I already pointed out, HBO did exactly what you said - they weren't forced to buy Haymons crappy fights and look what he did as a result, he took all his fighters to Showtime. That places Espinoza in a position where he feels he needs to do Haymon favors, buy whatever fights he proposes, or else potentially lose out on future opportunities with Haymon fighters. This isn't helping the sport. It's actually ruining Showtime boxing and he's alienated his fighters to one network (we'll see what happens with NBC Sports). This created a fued with HBO obviously so HBO fighters can't fight Haymon fighters, etc. It's a huge mess. The longevity and the overall health of the SPORT of boxing is our concern. Guys like Stevenson getting $2m to fight some trash fighter might help his bank account now, but it damn sure isn't helping the sport grow.

I don't think there's any easy answer.

With and/or without Haymon, professional boxing has been falling in popularity for quite some time now. There's been a lack of mainstream exposure. I feel like the more boxing gets mainstream exposure, the more competitive fights will be made by default because of the financial incentives. But I'm pretty sure there will be some negative side effects from that growth too. But the more popular, the more money many fighters can make. But right now, boxing is so unpopular, regular fans don't know the difference between Herrera and Salka. Those fights had almost the same amount of viewership!

I mean, what do you say about that? When one match that is way better competitive-wise is watched just as much as a fight that is no match competitive wise.

[gamesworn]

You never answered his question. It was pretty straight forward, almost like a yes or no.

The answer is simple. HBO and SHO are victims of Al Haymon.

He promised them good fights at first, but later on give them **** fights just to fit his own agenda.

Obviously, all roads leads to Al Haymon. He's the root of all this problem.