is Calzaghe HOF or potential future HOF

[Bozo_no no]

I'm just wondering, all this desperation to change the subject, has it made any more of a case for Calzaghe being a Hall of Fame fighter at this point?

[phil28]

Please.

Darius saw what happened to hill, got back on a plane and never came back. He was then stripped of the major titles he had for not wanting to face the mandated challengers.

No one in their right mind regarded him as the better fighter between the two, and his "Ottke" like habbit of sitting in Germany facing Roy's leftovers showed what he was all about.

He struggled with Richard Hall, and was soundly beaten by Gonzalez.

As I said before, to be the man you have to beat the man. RJJ didn't, never had any intention of fighting him, so your claims that DM was scared to come to the states hold no water. More likely is Roy was scared to go to Germany, even though DM was Polish.

[phil28]

I'm just wondering, all this desperation to change the subject, has it made any more of a case for Calzaghe being a Hall of Fame fighter at this point?

Nope, it's just your deluded posts regarding a certain RJJ being 'The Man' at 175 got peoples attention. In other words, you're talking bollocks mate.

[Bozo_no no]

As I said before, to be the man you have to beat the man. RJJ didn't, never had any intention of fighting him, so your claims that DM was scared to come to the states hold no water. More likely is Roy was scared to go to Germany, even though DM was Polish.

You can think that all you want. Darius was stripped of those titles for a reason, and he got on that plane and never retunred because he knew exactly what would have happened to him.

No one in their right mind would suggest Darius was the better fighter, or had an evern remotely similar career.

He sat in Germany avoiding bigger fights, struggled with the likes of Richard Hall, and lost to Julio Gonzalez two years after Roy toyed with him to the tune of 120-105.


But again, does this have anything to do with Calzaghe?

No, it doesn't.

You guys are topid whores.

[Bozo_no no]

Nope, it's just your deluded posts regarding a certain RJJ being 'The Man' at 175 got peoples attention. In other words, you're talking bollocks mate.

Jones was the best fighter at Light Heavyweight for 5 years. Darius was stripped for avoiding better fighters, and struggled with Roy's left overs.

Suggesting otherwise is more 'bollocks' that comparing Calzaghe's career to Roy's.

[quake]

What you guys have to realize is these boards are over populated with white guys who shamelessly blow every accomplishment of the white guys out of proportion then attack every ****y black guy from Ali to Jones'Jr. Of course this guy will never make the hall of fame much like his white brothers the Klitchkos but we have to endure all of the white guy rants until for now.

[mECHsLAVE]

Jones was the best fighter at Light Heavyweight for 5 years. Darius was stripped for avoiding better fighters, and struggled with Roy's left overs.

Suggesting otherwise is more 'bollocks' that comparing Calzaghe's career to Roy's.

You are so completely clueless.

See, I earmarked you for a bandwagoner ****-talker and you just proved me dead-on. Dariusz was "stripped for avoiding better fighters" huh?

Set back, newbie, and listen to the news while I give you a little education.

Dariusz was stripped IMMEDIATELY by the WBA, simply for having the WBO title. That's a fact. And some contender had won a lawsuit with the IBF which required that he be given a shot at the title WITHIN 30 DAYS, and Dariusz had just gone a hard 12 rounds beating the champion Hill. It was unreasonable to think that he would be able to step back in the ring in less than a month. See, the IBF didn't want Dariusz to have their belt, either. It's as simple as that. Neither sanctioning body wanted their belt over in Germany, when they Olympic mega-star Roy Jones was planning on moving up in weight. So they played some dirty pool, nothing new.

At this point, Roy is still a SMW threatening to move up. So you see when Roy entered 175 there was no doubt who the best LHW was- it was Dariusz, who had unified 3 belts. And he never lost through Roy's whole LHW campaign until like 03, about the time that Roy fell off.

That's why there was the debate for years (when you probably weren't even watching boxing, that's why I have to educate you now) and that's why Roy was never truly an undisputed, linear champ at 175.

Ok, school's out. Run along and play, Bozo.

[phil28]

What you guys have to realize is these boards are over populated with white guys who shamelessly blow every accomplishment of the white guys out of proportion then attack every ****y black guy from Ali to Jones'Jr. Of course this guy will never make the hall of fame much like his white brothers the Klitchkos but we have to endure all of the white guy rants until for now.

Hmm, so the colour of somebody's skin makes them better than someone else? Whatever ****head.

[Bozo_no no]

You are so completely clueless.

See, I earmarked you for a bandwagoner ****-talker and you just proved me dead-on. Dariusz was "stripped for avoiding better fighters" huh?

Set back, newbie, and listen to the news while I give you a little education.

Dariusz was stripped IMMEDIATELY by the WBA, simply for having the WBO title. That's a fact. And some contender had won a lawsuit with the IBF which required that he be given a shot at the title WITHIN 30 DAYS, and Dariusz had just gone a hard 12 rounds beating the champion Hill. It was unreasonable to think that he would be able to step back in the ring in less than a month. See, the IBF didn't want Dariusz to have their belt, either. It's as simple as that. Neither sanctioning body wanted their belt over in Germany, when they Olympic mega-star Roy Jones was planning on moving up in weight. So they played some dirty pool, nothing new.

At this point, Roy is still a SMW threatening to move up. So you see when Roy entered 175 there was no doubt who the best LHW was- it was Dariusz, who had unified 3 belts. And he never lost through Roy's whole LHW campaign until like 03, about the time that Roy fell off.

That's why there was the debate for years (when you probably weren't even watching boxing, that's why I have to educate you now) and that's why Roy was never truly an undisputed, linear champ at 175.

Ok, school's out. Run along and play, Bozo.

lol, listening to a nut hugging stooge who does nothing but cry and twisting subjects doesn't educate anyone or anything. I've been watching boxing since I was a kid which is obviosuly longer than you've been hugging nuts.

"Dirty Pool" took the titles from Darius, he just happened to stay in Germany fighting soft competition, and somehow he's the real champion that everyone was avoiding?

Come off it. He stayed in Germany and was content to face nobodies because he wanted no part of Jones. Visiting the US for the Hill fight showed some interest in travelling, and the fact he never came back spoke for itslef.

If you're going to sit here and tell me that Darius was the better Lt Heavyweight, and that he didn't need to go the US to make the fight with Roy, I'm going to call you an even bigger idiot that I thought previously.

He wanted no part of Jones, and sat in his backyard making weak hand picked defenses. He struggled with guys Jones toyed with, and was ultimatly beaten soundly by one of them.

Jones didn't need Darius, Darius needed Jones, and he had no interest. His career wasted into obsceurity until he was beaten by a meidocre fighter, and he will largely be forgotten.

You're off on another rant, because you're angry your take on Calzahge was taken apart. You're a sad and bitter individual.

[Knicksman20]

JC hadn't defeated an undefeated champion until last week. Jones took on Hopkins & 160 when both were the #1 & #2 contenders to the vacant belt & won easily. Jones went on to fight Toney at 168 lbs. who was one of the top 5 P4P fighters in the WORLD & the top dog in the division & embarassed him; weight problems or not. Jones also defeated fighters that after losing to him went on & became world champions again. How many have JC's opponents have become champions AFTER fighting him. None because their careers can't be compared & the thought of it is completely asinine.