Top 20 Fighters Since World War II

[slipcatchroll]

So the general consensus is that Roberto Duran is greater than SRL?

I'm seriuosly just asking not antagonising.

[UTEP]

So the general consensus is that Roberto Duran is greater than SRL?

I'm seriuosly just asking not antagonising.

Yup, just like the general consensus has Hopkins over Taylor, Pac over Marquez, Jones over Tarver, etc.

[RubenSonny]

I don't see how you can justify Marciano being on that list.

[Joe Beamish]

So the general consensus is that Roberto Duran is greater than SRL?

I'm seriuosly just asking not antagonising.

No, they're close in most people's minds. Duran as a LW was such a force for so long and with such domination -- that made him great. Then skipping a weight class to jump right into the ring against one of the greatest WW's of all time and defeating him took him to another level.

Then the comeback against Davy Moore for the Jr MW...good Lord. And a fine performance against Hagler all the way up at MW.

Some losses -- like Ali had losses -- but the wins and the competition in multiple weight classes gives Duran a big lift in many people's minds.

I'd put him and Leonard on the same level

[Humean]

Who should be on it that's non-American

No idea, there clearly has never been any great fighters outside of North and South America . . .

All these lists are biased, and at some point just get down to who you like.

However if you were really trying to be 'objective' i'm not sure how you could have 3(5) heavyweights in such a list, unless you were placing great stock in column inches and fame. If you really think about it I think it is clear that the heavyweights have always produced amongst the least talented champions throughout boxing. So this list is biased towards Americans (USA 16/20), Americans (two continents 20/20) and really the heavier weight classes.

Anyway here is a fighter who is not only not from the US, is not from the Americas, is not included in the top 20 nor received any votes and actually defeated someone on that top 20 list twice: Fighting Harada.

[Joe Beamish]

I don't see how you can justify Marciano being on that list.

It helps that Marciano had devastating knockouts against 3 guys on the list above him, all in the top 10.

Yep, they were older -- but Moore and Charles were both still damn good. Not prime, but good. And he killed all of them with the same relentless power that he killed everyone with, while taking tons of punishment and not really minding.

[slipcatchroll]

No, they're close in most people's minds. Duran as a LW was such a force for so long and with such domination -- that made him great. Then skipping a weight class to jump right into the ring against one of the greatest WW's of all time and defeating him took him to another level.

Then the comeback against Davy Moore for the Jr MW...good Lord. And a fine performance against Hagler all the way up at MW.

Some losses -- like Ali had losses -- but the wins and the competition in multiple weight classes gives Duran a big lift in many people's minds.

I'd put him and Leonard on the same level

I can respect that.

But the Hagler, Hearns and Benitez losses, combined with the fact that he lost to SRL when he used more footwork and the fact that none of his lightweight competition never really stepped up the plate to accomplish anything spectacular puts him lower than SRL for me anyway.

[The Big Dunn]

No idea, there clearly has never been any great fighters outside of North and South America . . .

All these lists are biased, and at some point just get down to who you like.

However if you were really trying to be 'objective' i'm not sure how you could have 3(5) heavyweights in such a list, unless you were placing great stock in column inches and fame. If you really think about it I think it is clear that the heavyweights have always produced amongst the least talented champions throughout boxing. So this list is biased towards Americans (USA 16/20), Americans (two continents 20/20) and really the heavier weight classes.

Anyway here is a fighter who is not only not from the US, is not from the Americas, is not included in the top 20 nor received any votes and actually defeated someone on that top 20 list twice: Fighting Harada.

True but does the wins , one after jofre's comeback from injury (or was it retirement), mean he deserves to be on this list? I admit, I don't know much about Harada's whole career, and kudos to you for mentioning this, but to invalidate the list based solely on one fight.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

I don't see how you can justify Marciano being on that list.

He slipped past me.. Yeah I agree, he shouldn't be top 20..

[Kagami Taiga]

No idea, there clearly has never been any great fighters outside of North and South America . . .

All these lists are biased, and at some point just get down to who you like.

However if you were really trying to be 'objective' i'm not sure how you could have 3(5) heavyweights in such a list, unless you were placing great stock in column inches and fame. If you really think about it I think it is clear that the heavyweights have always produced amongst the least talented champions throughout boxing. So this list is biased towards Americans (USA 16/20), Americans (two continents 20/20) and really the heavier weight classes.

Anyway here is a fighter who is not only not from the US, is not from the Americas, is not included in the top 20 nor received any votes and actually defeated someone on that top 20 list twice: Fighting Harada.

There are greater foreign fighters than Harada that didn't make the list. For instance Alexis Arguello or even Wilfred Benitez. Honestly Harada is a fringe name at best. His wins over Jofre are similar to Marquez' wins over Pacquiao.