Comments Thread For: Erislandy Lara: De La Hoya Knows Canelo Got a Gift!

[Dinamita 03]

He was swinging. If he wasn't, why wasn't Lara tagging the fuck out of him? Hmmm?

That brings up another issue I had with Lara's performance. He had many, many opportunities to open up and fire off combos. When he did, he landed beautifully...beautifully! But he had many more opportunities where he made Canelo miss, but didn't make him pay. As I mentioned before, in the pro game you don't get much credit for simply making your opponent whiff. But judges tend to notice if your opponent keeps pressing the action and you don't do much in return. The fact is, Saul pressed the action all night; while Lara was content to make him miss, land the occasional 1-2 and take the occasional hard body shot. That makes for close cards...and maddening losses against a cash cow.

He had to have felt Canelo's power I just don't have any other explanation as to why he was he wasn't throwing much. That Angulo fight was probably in the back of his head and he was even more hesitant than usual not wanting to get caught.

[damit305]

As far as I'm concerned my guy pushed your guy's s**t in 10 years ago. Where's all your crying about that REAL ROBBERY?




At least my people have a proud warrior tradition to celebrate. We'll see come May 5th.

Sit there and keep crying baby girl.

What happened in the rematch?

[-PBP-]

As far as I'm concerned my guy pushed your guy's s**t in 10 years ago. Where's all your crying about that REAL ROBBERY?




At least my people have a proud warrior tradition to celebrate. We'll see come May 5th.

Sit there and keep crying baby girl.

46-0 baby. You still crying after 10 years, huh? Well guess what? I love it. Now go home and cry some more.

Floyd done beat so many of your fighters he had to go to other countries to find competition.

[CubanGuyNYC]

He had to have felt Canelo's power I just don't have any other explanation as to why he was he wasn't throwing much. That Angulo fight was probably in the back of his head and he was even more hesitant than usual not wanting to get caught.

I tend to agree. Lara was being extra cautious. He would open up when he saw a gaping opening, and drive a laser 1-2, or even 1-2-3, into Canelo's grill. But there were so many other opportunities he missed. I have to believe it's because Lara didn't feel it was safe enough. Now that I think about it, I don't think there was a single exchange in that fight. It was either Saul landing to the body and Lara covering up or moving away, or Landy landing a combo and moving away. Am I wrong?

[BoxPrep]

He was swinging. If he wasn't, why wasn't Lara tagging the fuck out of him? Hmmm?

That brings up another issue I had with Lara's performance. He had many, many opportunities to open up and fire off combos. When he did, he landed beautifully...beautifully! But he had many more opportunities where he made Canelo miss, but didn't make him pay. As I mentioned before, in the pro game you don't get much credit for simply making your opponent whiff. But judges tend to notice if your opponent keeps pressing the action and you don't do much in return. The fact is, Saul pressed the action all night; while Lara was content to make him miss, land the occasional 1-2 and take the occasional hard body shot. That makes for close cards...and maddening losses against a cash cow.

Lara was tagging him -- Canelo wasn't swinging. Again, I posted earlier, there were several spots in the fight where Lara stood in front of Canelo or leaned on the ropes and Canelo just looked at him because Canelo is a cautious fighter and was aware of getting caught coming in.

It's why Angulo went for broke. He took a ton of punishment from Lara because he opened up and was swinging and aiming for anything above the belt line when he had Lara on the ropes and he'd also be throwing while walking down Lara. He had no respect for Lara's punching power and paid the price for it late.

Canelo wasn't willing to do that. He walked down Lara but it wasn't behind a jab. He never tried to punch from range to get inside. The times he did throw, he was close in range and would let off 3-4 punch combos that were either partially blocked or whiffed, or he'd land one or two body shots at a time. When he did try to punch from range, he missed badly or Lara would beat him to the punch. There were times Lara would catch him coming in.

For as much as some of you are saying Lara needed to do more.... What did Canelo do out of those four categories Lederman listed?

[Dinamita 03]

I tend to agree. Lara was being extra cautious. He would open up when he saw a gaping opening, and drive a laser 1-2, or even 1-2-3, into Canelo's grill. But there were so many other opportunities he missed. I have to believe it's because Lara didn't feel it was safe enough. Now that I think about it, I don't think there was a single exchange in that fight. It was either Saul landing to the body and Lara covering up or moving away, or Landy landing a combo and moving away. Am I wrong?

Yeah as far as I can remember there were no exchanges. I've only watched it once so i'm not certain.

[VAGAB0ND]

46-0 baby. You still crying after 10 years, huh? Well guess what? I love it. Now go home and cry some more.

Floyd done beat so many of your fighters he had to go to other countries to find competition.

Funny how after pages and pages of you crying you want to talk about someone else crying, .

Carry on with your 13,000 posts baby girl. No need for me to disrespect Floyd or any other fighters, I'll leave that to the Cubanas.

[-PBP-]

Funny how after pages and pages of you crying you want to talk about someone else crying, .

Carry on with your 13,000 posts baby girl. No need for me to disrespect Floyd or any other fighters, I'll leave that to the Cubanas.

I know 10 years of pain is hard to deal with. It's OK. You can claim Chino as one of yours in September since you have no one left.

[CubanGuyNYC]

Lara was tagging him -- Canelo wasn't swinging. Again, I posted earlier, there were several spots in the fight where Lara stood in front of Canelo or leaned on the ropes and Canelo just looked at him because Canelo is a cautious fighter and was aware of getting caught coming in.

It's why Angulo went for broke. He took a ton of punishment from Lara because he opened up and was swinging and aiming for anything above the belt line when he had Lara on the ropes and he'd also be throwing while walking down Lara. He had no respect for Lara's punching power and paid the price for it late.

Canelo wasn't willing to do that. He walked down Lara but it wasn't behind a jab. He never tried to punch from range to get inside. The times he did throw, he was close in range and would let off 3-4 punch combos that were either partially blocked or whiffed, or he'd land one or two body shots at a time. When he did try to punch from range, he missed badly or Lara would beat him to the punch. There were times Lara would catch him coming in.

For as much as some of you are saying Lara needed to do more.... What did Canelo do out of those four categories Lederman listed?

We've been over this. When I say Lara needed to do more, I mean, everyone knows you can't beat the cash cow by a small margin. It's just the way it is.

Been meaning to ask you: what was your score for this fight?

[BoxPrep]

He had to have felt Canelo's power I just don't have any other explanation as to why he was he wasn't throwing much. That Angulo fight was probably in the back of his head and he was even more hesitant than usual not wanting to get caught.

I think Lara found that just boxing him was working and felt he was up on the scorecards. Shields was telling him he was doing a great job. The crowd was pretty much nonexistent which is a generally a sign that the visitors are winning. Why change what you assume is working and was?

Canelo landed to the body and it didn't slow down Lara. Angulo landed to the body and it took a toll, Lara was dropped twice in that fight.

I'm trying to figure out why Canelo didn't open up more...? Maybe he felt something that persuaded him not to just take two to land one..