Lennox Lewis - How good was he?

[Elroy1]

That's kind of ironic coming from a Wlad fan. Lennox was down twice in his career that featured opponents on a whole other level than Wlad's.

Wlad's been down 15 times or something like that.

"Corrie Sanders is one of the hardest punching heavyweights of all time"

That bit is not true...

Rahman and McCall are fully comparable with Sander's and Brewster (but not Purrity).

Difference is, Lewis was outboxed and KO'd in both his losses without question. WK has other reasons surrounding his losses, he's never ever been outboxed except arguably by Sander's but I wouldn't call it that, and there was also the butt.

[Elroy1]

Lol. So why do i clearly remember 12 times?

As with all Klitschko fans, excuses come to the rescue. Lewis never laid out cold.

WK has never been laid out cold, he ALWAYS finished a fight on his feet.

Lewis did get sparked out 2ce, like WK/Sanders.

Would you say Rahman and McCall were better fighters than Lewis? Of course not!

And don't say he avenged against McCall because that wasn't what I would call avenging, he couldn't even hurt that fighter without him fighting back!

[Elroy1]

Lol. So why do i clearly remember 12 times?

As with all Klitschko fans, excuses come to the rescue. Lewis never laid out cold.

3 times against Sanders,
3 times against Peter,
1ce against Puritty,
1ce against Brewster,
1ce against Williamson,
1ce against Pannell,

I got 10 times. And many of those KD's were dubious.

Over 65 fights with the average opponent weighing 235lbs... There has never been another HW with that few KD's apart from VK.

WK has much better chin than given credit for! Not an iron chin like VK, but a good one.

It's actually one of the more ridiculous statements that the 250lb longest reigning HW champion of the world could actually have a poor chin!

[Elroy1]

And who's Wlad's best win?

And is that funny?

Leave VK out of it, a very controversial fight...

Holyfield is next. Ibragimov beat Holyfield. Given, not as good a version, but not as bad as many suggest. Haye would not be mincemeat for Holyfield.

Next is Tyson... I think several of WK's opponents (I already mentioned Thompson) could have beat up that Mike that Lennox fought.

And what else? The rest are without question comparable.

[Joeyzagz]

That bit is not true...

Rahman and McCall are fully comparable with Sander's and Brewster (but not Purrity).

Difference is, Lewis was outboxed and KO'd in both his losses without question. WK has other reasons surrounding his losses, he's never ever been outboxed except arguably by Sander's but I wouldn't call it that, and there was also the butt.

Wladimir decisioned Haye and quarrled with a bunch of D-listers that wont make the hall of fame.

LL's victory over Bruno is more impressive than anything Wlad ever did.

[Elroy1]

Wladimir decisioned Haye and quarrled with a bunch of D-listers that wont make the hall of fame.

LL's victory over Bruno is more impressive than anything Wlad ever did.

Those opinions are ******ed, and thankfully, history lol

Honestly I think at the time of the LL vs VK fight, WK might have been the weaker brother. The aggressive style he fought with, he might not have lasted against the more veteran Lewis or the tougher brother. But the later version of WK has trained himself nearly invincible. It's a very pathetic opinion to lower him to these standards.

[soul_survivor]

1.) how good was he?

2.) would he have beat the Bowe that beat Holyfield in their 1st fight?

1: He was exceptional, great jab, great right hand, great power, decent footwork and a bad chin. It combined to create an unusual mix, he didn't exactly have an exciting style, especially late in his career but with that chin, there was always a sense of danger and it kept you watching. The punches he took from Vitali were immense though.

2: Yes, I think Lewis would have eventually ground him down and Bowe would have shrunk back, as he did at times in his career. He had the power to hurt Lewis but Lewis too had power, a better jab and better punch selection. Bowe knew it too.

[Joeyzagz]

Those opinions are ******ed, and thankfully, history lol

Honestly I think at the time of the LL vs VK fight, WK might have been the weaker brother. The aggressive style he fought with, he might not have lasted against the more veteran Lewis or the tougher brother. But the later version of WK has trained himself nearly invincible. It's a very pathetic opinion to lower him to these standards.

If Wladimir was invincible he wouldnt have to Hug men like Povetkin for 12 freaking rounds. He has no inside game whatsoever. He just hugs people because apparently thats what passes for boxing in Germany.

Ask yourself why the Heavyweight champion of The World is too Poosee to fight in the Mecca of the sport in Las Vegas? Is it because he cant Hug-n-Drug like he can in Deutschland?

[LacedUp]

The Toemaker lol

Coincidentally, also a pumped up cruiserweight. Same with his other best win Chris Byrd who started at middleweight.

That bit is not true...

Rahman and McCall are fully comparable with Sander's and Brewster (but not Purrity).

Difference is, Lewis was outboxed and KO'd in both his losses without question. WK has other reasons surrounding his losses, he's never ever been outboxed except arguably by Sander's but I wouldn't call it that, and there was also the butt.

No they are not. McCall is the best fighter of all them, but Rahman won against Sanders - so there's that.

Lewis wasn't 'outboxed' stop it please. His fight with McCall started out guns blazing in the first round - nobody was boxing. and he was stopped early in the second.

He wasn't outboxed by Rahman either. With regards to Wlad, he was never in the fight vs Sanders, and it wasn't a butt, it was a clash of heads. There's a difference and it was minor. Wlad didn't even mention it, so no reason you should either.

Lewis was ready to rumble in the McCall fight, but it got stopped.

WK has never been laid out cold, he ALWAYS finished a fight on his feet.

Lewis did get sparked out 2ce, like WK/Sanders.

Would you say Rahman and McCall were better fighters than Lewis? Of course not!

And don't say he avenged against McCall because that wasn't what I would call avenging, he couldn't even hurt that fighter without him fighting back!

Once again, Lewis ended the McCall fight on his feet ready to fight on. He took a hard shot, but rose. Rahman fight he didn't beat the count, but he wasn't out cold.

OK - I think that's a little ridiculous. I could say Wlad didn't avenge his loss to Brewster because he was fat and half-blind. Lewis had the courage to get in with McCall again and beat the McCall in front of him. It's not Lewis' fault what state McCall was in.

3 times against Sanders,
3 times against Peter,
1ce against Puritty,
1ce against Brewster,
1ce against Williamson,
1ce against Pannell,

I got 10 times. And many of those KD's were dubious.

Over 65 fights with the average opponent weighing 235lbs... There has never been another HW with that few KD's apart from VK.

WK has much better chin than given credit for! Not an iron chin like VK, but a good one.

It's actually one of the more ridiculous statements that the 250lb longest reigning HW champion of the world could actually have a poor chin!

Sanders dropped him 4 times, Peter 3 times, Brewster 2 times, Pannell, Williamson, Purrity all dropped him once = 12 times.

I don't care about weight. Being heavier doesn't make you punch harder, especially when it's fat heavy. Lewis was down twice in his career - yet weltschmerz said his chin was questionable in relation to a fight between him and Wlad that's just dumb.

Wlad doesn't have a good chin. Let's be real. What he does have is an unbelievably good defense. and that's better.

And is that funny?

Leave VK out of it, a very controversial fight...

Holyfield is next. Ibragimov beat Holyfield. Given, not as good a version, but not as bad as many suggest. Haye would not be mincemeat for Holyfield.

Next is Tyson... I think several of WK's opponents (I already mentioned Thompson) could have beat up that Mike that Lennox fought.

And what else? The rest are without question comparable.

Holyfield was nowhere near the same that fought Ibragimov. Not at all. Thompson is shyt, he couldn't even beat Tyson on his last fight.

But let's talk about Mercer, Ruddock, Tucker, Golota, Grant, McCall, Bruno, Mason.. Hell even Biggs and Tommy Morrison were decent fighters. And Mike Weaver - probably the best physique you ever saw on a heavyweight. These guys are literally 10 times better than the likes of Haye and Povetkin.

[Elroy1]

1: He was exceptional, great jab, great right hand, great power, decent footwork and a bad chin. It combined to create an unusual mix, he didn't exactly have an exciting style, especially late in his career but with that chin, there was always a sense of danger and it kept you watching. The punches he took from Vitali were immense though.

2: Yes, I think Lewis would have eventually ground him down and Bowe would have shrunk back, as he did at times in his career. He had the power to hurt Lewis but Lewis too had power, a better jab and better punch selection. Bowe knew it too.

Lewis didn't have a bad chin wtf? He only ever got sparked 2ce and knocked down a few other times by very hard punchers, that's the modern heavyweight, single shots are so hard they can turn the tide.

And not exactly exiting?

You couldn't have really seen Lewis, there are few fighters I can watch over and over and Lewis happens to be one of them. It's either beautiful or it's savage or it's both. He's one of the most exciting HW's by far!

Some of these guys are unreal! LOL