Mayweather vs Maidana II POST FIGHT DISCUSSION

[Hougigo]

This can't be true:

I asked someone at GBP if there was any news on the Sept 13 undercard. The answer: "No". See, get all the hot breaking news here

— Steve Kim (@steveucnlive)

[jas]

[jas]

[LoadedWraps]

[Syf]

Maidana swimming, running doing core work and strength drills. Seen him looking pretty good on the mitts as well. Shooting for lead rights.

What's the same as the first time: training with the slip rope, many of the same strength exercises...

What's different: training with a high elevation mask, training on a heavier heavy bag. (My feeling on this is a heavier bag can build strength but more likely to incur a training injury. That lighter 50 lb bag he worked with in the first fight's training was better for training to land on a moving target.. But I guess he knows he can catch May now so he is training to hurt the guy more so)

Also Maidana feels he was anxious the first go and has some ideas on how to do better this time.


I am hopeful sept 13 will be Maidana's finest hour!

[WhenWeWereKings]

You can see this time too, in the training videos, Maidana practicing to keep at a half step to a step further away. This could work great or be a total disaster. It might work on the ropes, it might not. It could work after he's feinted Mayweather out of position and it might not. It's really easy for everyone to say things like he's got to mix up being at super close range and then give himself a step back so he doesn't smother his shots. But he could easily lose too many early rounds if he's a little too far back.

Garcia and Marcos have got to know how well it worked for Maidana to change levels as he came in. That worked so brilliantly. That combined with Mayweather edging away from Chino's right hand was the dynamic of the first six rounds of the last fight.

The guy who seemed to really help Marcos, Steve Forbes, told him how great he was at feinting in and then stepping back out instead of being 'reckless' in a recent Seckbach video. Forbes seems to be one of the keys guys in this whole thing. The motivation for an old hand like him in a fight like this is fascinating. Obviously, he gets paid for what he does but he also gets to watch the fight and yell out to anyone who's around, 'See! I showed him that! He hit me just like that!' He gets the chance to make it tougher for the A-side fighter- the fighter he would've been if he'd been more talented, more connected, won a few more fights. But how can he mimic what May will do in this fight? He can't because nobody knows.

If Mayweather has figured out how to neutralize or cancelled out Chino's power via ref/gloves/some other unforeseen way then he's already won.

[LoadedWraps]

We've been over this, people just don't listen. It doesn't matter if you know how to neutralize something in a fighter, doing it is the hard part. I've said for years the blueprint on how to beat Floyd and really any fighter exists and it isn't a mystery, it's actually being able to do it and or having the courage to take the risks to do it that's the problem. Whether your obstacles are physical, mental, or experience, that's what makes boxing a beautiful sport. I could pretty much give you more than one answer to beat every style and type of fighter because there is always a way, but fighters are human and just because you know how to do something doesn't mean you will do so. I have been boxing for 8 years and I could break down things to do in the ring that I can't do myself, I do it all the time. Casual fans I think don't understand this, there are less mysteries in the sport than I think some of these guys with little knowledge of the sport want to believe. Fighters appear unbeatable because of their aura, rumored power, speed, experience, one performance that stood out, all these things can create a mental challenge before you even enter the ring, and that's not taking into account if you even have the physical tools and conditioning to do what you need to do. We haven't even touched the variable of if a fighter can stay focused through a long fight when dealing with adversity. Just because you are a physical phenom doesn't mean your head isn't filled with marbles, and vica versa.

Sorry for the half rant, but it just urks me when I read "all he has to do is figure out how to neutralize X and he's already won". No. It's not that simple, that's only part of the job.

[SlySlickSmooth]

Did they ever say what gloves will be worn?

[The Problem Child]

The biggest difference in this fight, for Maidana that is, will be distance management; which he seems to be practicing during this camp.

Those wild bombs were landing even though they didn't have much effect using sparring gloves.

However, those wild bombs that landed on the inside were very awkward short shots that due to their arch-type trajectory lost strenght on their war to the target. A properly timed shot from the right distance, like the one he landed on Broner for the first KD, will shake the knees of any fighter; regardless of which glove it is.

I also expect Mayweather to move more, and when you move more/play it more cautious, the shots tend to catch you by surprise since you are so focused on not getting hit. When Mayweather is mentally aware that he will make a conscious effort to stay in front of someone, he is expecting the shots. I think Mayweather will revert to the strategy of the first fight halfway thru the match but not without getting hurt first.

Again, this will be a very, very intriguing fight. Very entertaining. I cannot wait.

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[LoadedWraps]

The biggest difference in this fight, for Maidana that is, will be distance management; which he seems to be practicing during this camp.

Those wild bombs were landing even though they didn't have much effect using sparring gloves.

However, those wild bombs that landed on the inside were very awkward short shots that due to their arch-type trajectory lost strenght on their war to the target. A properly timed shot from the right distance, like the one he landed on Broner for the first KD, will shake the knees of any fighter; regardless of which glove it is.

I also expect Mayweather to move more, and when you move more/play it more cautious, the shots tend to catch you by surprise since you are so focused on not getting hit. When Mayweather is mentally aware that he will make a conscious effort to stay in front of someone, he is expecting the shots. I think Mayweather will revert to the strategy of the first fight halfway thru the match but not without getting hurt first.

Again, this will be a very, very intriguing fight. Very entertaining. I cannot wait.

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