Mayweather vs Maidana II POST FIGHT DISCUSSION

[LoadedWraps]

Floyd UD. Maidana had the night of his life last time. He was more explosive than I've ever seen him. Nothing will be in his favor the next time.

I hope you are wrong, I want to see a war, a toe to toe slugfest in the center of the ring, a phonebooth fight until one hits the canvas. I want a throwback fight, a historic night.

[Spoon23]

I think you are wrong, Floyd will let him wear his gloves and go toe to toe in the center of the ring until one of them falls to prove his greatness.

Your sig clearly shows Maidana's effective aggression against floyd at the ropes. Floyd will definitely remember that day he almost lost.

Those punchers gloves would have put the nail firmly attached to the wood if it were punchers gloves that night. Those pillow gloves saved Floyd's night.

I will assure you Floyd won't agree, and knowing floyd he will force Maidana to agree in using Pillow gloves by bribing him millions of dollars that any lowly fighter cannot turn down for the amount of it. That is the more logical route Floyd will take. The fight might push through. That is with pillow gloves on though.. If you still don't know Floyd up to now. He doesn't fight fair, he wants all the cards stack up against his opponent, and that includes your boy Maidana. Unfair advantage thy name is Floyd my friend.

[LoadedWraps]

Your sig clearly shows Maidana's effective aggression against floyd at the ropes. Floyd will definitely remember that day he almost lost.

Those punchers gloves would have put the nail firmly attached to the wood if it were punchers gloves that night. Those pillow gloves saved Floyd's.

I will assure you Floyd won't agree, and knowing floyd he will force Maidana to agree in using Pillow gloves by bribing him millions of dollars that any lowly fighter cannot turn down for the amount of it. That is the more logical route Floyd will take. The fight might push through. That is with pillow gloves on though..

If Maidana knocks down Floyd with pillows how loud is it going to get in MSG.

[Spoon23]

If Maidana knocks down Floyd with pillows how loud is it going to get in MSG.

Sorry my friend, with pillow gloves on this fight will be the same as the last one.

Your boy Maidana is a fighter with lethal intent in his punches. That is his asset. Floyd will take it away, and leave him without any bullets when going to a battle.

A soldier without any bullets in a battle cannot be effective. Those pillow gloves will come to play, and leave us with a dejavu feeling. Almost, but not quite.

Maidana is a warrior he should have a chance to choose his weapon as ALL warriors should, but Floyd won't. Why? Coz floyd is a C U N T.

[Beater_of_ass]

I actually didn't say he lost all the rounds I said he got near swept, just like many others, if that warrants a rematch then for the sake of consistency I hope you gave Maidana a wide UD, lol.

If you asked Floyd today I doubt he would say Cotto gave him his toughest fight, personally I think that's ridiculous, other than a bloody nose, the fight was not close, Cotto did what Ortiz did in a sense, alot of punches thrown that looked good but if you look closely Floyd rolls, slips, and blocks almost all of it.

Maybe you have Cotto "swing rounds" But I didn't find any that close where you could make a good argument for a rematch. I would watch a rematch obviously, but if it ever happens it's more than likely because Floyd is chasing a higher belt, not because it was that close in itself, unlike the Maidana fight or Castillo fight. Even the Oscar fight was rematch worthy and there were talks about a rematch but Floyd bailed on it.

Anyway the only reason some people are bringing Cotto up now is because some people think he has improved vastly under Roach and I don't see it, I feel it's discrediting all the work Cotto did and the fighter is was before Roach, to be honest I think people need to calm down with praising trainers because they don't always make that much of an imprint on an already established fighter, especially an elite one.

To me, Cotto needs to fight more fighters at mw and above maybe, and Floyd has fights at 147 I feel he should take, and maybe retire from since a fight with Manny is still plausible, imo.

I want to see Cotto fight GGG, and Floyd fight Maidana/Manny/Bradley/Lara.

Cotto won rounds 3, 5, 6 and 8 anyway you look at it. Some people had Cotto winning rounds 7 and 10 as well and those are what I think are the "swing" rounds and I don't think Cotto won either of them. If you ask Floyd today, I'm sure he would say Cotto was his toughest fight because... he said it after the ****ing Maidna rematch. He was asked "was this your toughest fight?" Floyds response was "toughest wrestling match" and went on to complain about the ref which he was totally right for doing. He even said Canelo AND Cotto hit harder... but you are right, maybe he was just selling those other fights, I guess that is why he chose to fight Maidana again instead of those guys, to sell the Cotto/Canelo rematces?

Also, trainers can fix and/or improve a fighter the proof is right in front of you with Cotto. He has the same style, he isn't a different fighter but he is a changed fighter he is in better physical shape but most of all he is in better mental shape. And if you were actually a fighter, which is apparent now you are not based off your "trainers don't help" comment you would know that the mind is just as important as the body for a fighter and that is what Roach fixed in Cotto.

[LoadedWraps]

Also, trainers can fix and/or improve a fighter the proof is right in front of you with Cotto. He has the same style, he isn't a different fighter but he is a changed fighter he is in better physical shape but most of all he is in better mental shape. And if you were actually a fighter, which is apparent now you are not based off your "trainers don't help" comment you would know that the mind is just as important as the body for a fighter and that is what Roach fixed in Cotto.

Ok but do you really credit Roach for all of that? I think the mentality is possibly even more important than the physical, I agree about that, but I don't credit Roach for that, Cotto wasn't a mental midget or a journeyman, he came an established champion and elite fighter, I just think Cotto deserves some of the credit himself moreseo than Roach.

[Beater_of_ass]

Ok but do you really credit Roach for all of that? I think the mentality is possibly even more important than the physical, I agree about that, but I don't credit Roach for that, Cotto wasn't a mental midget or a journeyman, he came an established champion and elite fighter, I just think Cotto deserves some of the credit himself moreseo than Roach.

Roach had a ton to do with that. You don't think Roach saying "Marg used wraps and we drained the **** of you on purpose or you would have beat Manny" would have instantly had a huge boost to Cotto's ego? Cotto wasn't a mental midget but he wasn't who he was before the Margarito fight, and it was always within Cotto it might have just taken the right guy like Roach to unlock it.

Also I wasn't asking for a Cotto/Floyd rematch unless Cotto beat Martinez. It happened and it is a rematch that should happen because the first fight was competitive ENOUGH to warrant it, WITH the MW title on the line.

[SlySlickSmooth]

I've got Floyd taking a much more clear cut decision this time.

[LoadedWraps]

Roach had a ton to do with that. You don't think Roach saying "Marg used wraps and we drained the **** of you on purpose or you would have beat Manny" would have instantly had a huge boost to Cotto's ego? Cotto wasn't a mental midget but he wasn't who he was before the Margarito fight, and it was always within Cotto it might have just taken the right guy like Roach to unlock it.

Also I wasn't asking for a Cotto/Floyd rematch unless Cotto beat Martinez. It happened and it is a rematch that should happen because the first fight was competitive ENOUGH to warrant it, WITH the MW title on the line.

I disagree with everything you say here minus Cotto being stronger minded after beating Margarito the second time.

Roach admitting he drained someone is supposed to be a positive thing here? That's pathetic and disgusting.

Also, you have zero proof Margarito cheated in that fight, only speculation.

You do know Martinez wasn't 100% or prime for that fight, right? It was a great performance by Cotto, one of his best nights ever, but let's be real here, beating Martinez 3 years ago would be a much bigger deal for so many reasons.

I don't think it was competitive enough to warrant a remach at all, if we give Cotto a rematch let's give Ortiz, Guerrero, and Canelo rematches as well, heck let's see him fight Apodaca again, screw Manny, Floyd can rematch his way into retirement.

The only way I see that fight happening again is if Floyd moves up like I said before but I doubt it happens, and even if it did, Floyd would skate his way to a wide UD again, Cotto is tailor made for Floyd as a textbook orthodox fighter, Cottos strengths everywhere else are his weaknesses in the ring with Floyd, while ironically it's the opposite with Maidana, he weakness with other fighters is his strength with Floyd and that's why even if they fight 5 times in a row it would be competitive, I would go as far as to say that Maidana is to Floyd what JMM is to Manny in that he could give him a tough fight everytime.

Anyway let's agree to disagree, at this point I am half posting only to get another glimpse at your great avi which never gets old.

[Resilient]

The ref will be like Cortez was in the Hatton fight I 100% guarantee it.

As soon as Maidana closes the distance Floyd will clinch and the ref will break it up.