Mayweather vs Maidana II POST FIGHT DISCUSSION

[LoadedWraps]

Punch selection ok, but that is not really doing anything much different just being smarter about his choices or fighting more effective in the way he normally does. Which would be helpful but that is not really taking a vastly different approach which is kind of what you were saying.

He didn't really find Floyd at least with real clean punches and he never had him hurt so I don't get how he knows that. In fact now he knows how good Floyd is so it could go the other way and him trying new things slows him down (thinking slows someone like Maidana down) which makes it that much easier for Floyd to do his thing.


He just needs to be better at what he did which is way easier said than done, not do something really different.

He very well may make a vastly different approach, but it would most likely be within the confines of his style, he is widely successful with his style, just because someone knows what you are going to do doesn't mean they can stop it, I have said this many times, the blueprint for beating floyd was always there, strategizing isn't the huge mystery, it's pulling it off that's the problem.

Also, you don't need to be bleeding, wobbled, or KO'd to be hurt, I have a hard time believing Floyd didn't piss blood after that fight, Floyd rarely takes punishment, a testament to his high ring IQ and reflexes, but the other edge to that sword is that when he does, he isn't used to it, and we haven't seen him under tremendous pressure until now, and it was more than obvious Maidana had him in deep waters.

Maidana actually found Floyd many times with clean punches, and like I said before he was more focused on finding Floyd than hurting him the first time around, and now that he knows he can find him when he closes the distance, he will focus on putting him down. Anyone who has boxed even a little knows that a fighter can control how hard they hit, it isn't hard to take steam off your punches as a trade off for speed, I do this in sparring all the time, and when I have to spar a woman or someone with a significant experience advantage I am told to go 70%. That includes not putting everything behind my punches and just focusing on speed and accuracy.

If you believe that Floyd was forced to fight his fight then what makes you think Floyd would have an easier time in any way? Yes, know he knows how Marcos fights also but that advantage is neutralized because so does Maidana.

If you are one of the ones who think Floyd actually did it for the fans then we are done, because I find that position ludicrous and baseless, the only indication is that he said so himself but you can't go off of what a fighter says, he has pride, self respect, and a reputation to uphold.

[M Bison]

Depends on the referee.

Given how much pissy boy Floyd and his fans complained about getting an actual fight last time out instead of a bummy no-hoper content with getting jabbed in the face for 12 rounds, I'm expecting the referee this time out to be ridiculously pro-Mayweather and interject himself into the fight constantly when he shouldn't be ala Mayweather/Hatton.

Floyd UD.

Very good point.

He will definitely make a good choice on ref for this one who wont allow fighters to fight just as dirty of a game as Floyd does, perhaps the referee wont allow any inside game to happen and separate it all the time similiar to Hatton vs Mayweather.

I really hope this is not the case...

[The Gambler1981]

He very well may make a vastly different approach, but it would most likely be within the confines of his style, he is widely successful with his style, just because someone knows what you are going to do doesn't mean they can stop it, I have said this many times, the blueprint for beating floyd was always there, strategizing isn't the huge mystery, it's pulling it off that's the problem.

Also, you don't need to be bleeding, wobbled, or KO'd to be hurt, I have a hard time believing Floyd didn't piss blood after that fight, Floyd rarely takes punishment, a testament to his high ring IQ and reflexes, but the other edge to that sword is that when he does, he isn't used to it, and we haven't seen him under tremendous pressure until now, and it was more than obvious Maidana had him in deep waters.

Maidana actually found Floyd many times with clean punches, and like I said before he was more focused on finding Floyd than hurting him the first time around, and now that he knows he can find him when he closes the distance, he will focus on putting him down. Anyone who has boxed even a little knows that a fighter can control how hard they hit, it isn't hard to take steam off your punches as a trade off for speed, I do this in sparring all the time, and when I have to spar a woman or someone with a significant experience advantage I am told to go 70%. That includes not putting everything behind my punches and just focusing on speed and accuracy.

If you believe that Floyd was forced to fight his fight then what makes you think Floyd would have an easier time in any way? Yes, know he knows how Marcos fights also but that advantage is neutralized because so does Maidana.

If you are one of the ones who think Floyd actually did it for the fans then we are done, because I find that position ludicrous and baseless, the only indication is that he said so himself but you can't go off of what a fighter says, he has pride, self respect, and a reputation to uphold.

Trying to hurt Floyd means loading up on his shots and shots like that take more time, if he could land shots like that he would have the first time. Just because he could land lesser shots does not mean he can land his best stuff and he certainly did not prove he could land his best stuff on Mayweather in the first fight.

I don't think Maidana hammer fists count as clean punches and while they may hurt some those are not overly effective blows. He hit Floyd clean some sure with good shots mostly to the body I am sure Floyd felt those and they did not feel good, but in boxing hurt means being hurt to the point it effects your ability to fight that did not happen once in Floyd-Maidana 1. So no

I do think he made a choice to fight that way but not for the fans because that was what he thought was best, he wanted to break Maidana beating him at his own game and once the fight went down that path not much could be done to change it. So it was a choice but it was a tactical one for fighting purposes, as Floyd is best when he breaks guys mentally nothing to do with the fans.


If you think Maidana won more than 5 rounds that first fight no reason to talk further either~

[LoadedWraps]

Trying to hurt Floyd means loading up on his shots and shots like that take more time, if he could land shots like the he would have the first time. Just because he could land lesser shots does not mean he can land his best stuff and he certainly did not prove he could land his best stuff on Mayweather in the first fight.

I don't think Midana hammer fists count as clean punches and while they may hurt some those are not overly effective blows. He hit Floyd clean some sure with good shots mostly to the body I am sure Floyd felt those and they did not feel good, but in boxing hurt means being hurt to the point it effects your ability to fight that did not happen once in Floyd-Maidana 1. So no

I do think made a choice to fight that way but not for the fans because that was what he thought was best, he wanted to break Maidana beating him at his own game and once the fight went down that path not much could be done to change it. So it was a choice but it was a tactical one for fighting purposes, as Floyd is best when he breaks guys mentally nothing to do with the fans.

Except he didn't break him mentally, in fact Maidana left largely unimpressed by Floyd. It's hard to tell what really hurts a fighter when you aren't the one being punched sometimes, but I just have to disagree with the thought that Floyd tried to beat him at his own game, he may have had that gameplan going in, but it was clear it wasn't going to happen early on and while Floyd adjusted, Maidana was still able to close the distance and what was even more remarkable still, is that Maidana both hit him with jabs, and made Floyd miss with good head movement! If Maidana can combine subtle tools that Garcia has implemented into his game, and still let his hands go with full steam now that he is comfortable with Floyd, it will be a long night for Floyd. While Maidana was concerned with Floyd's speed and defense, Floyd wasn't concerned with finding Maidana, he is used to hitting his opponents at will, to me this means he gave Maidana all he could with straight rights and hooks and none phased Maidana, if any did he was sure hiding it well.

Floyd will have to be very moble and active the whole fight, and blocking punches, rolling punches, and constantly pivoting will wear you down and fatigue you, it will also fatigue Maidana, but Maidana is used to having to resort to a high pace in more frequent burts, he is more used to a rough fight, and there will be no respect for Mayweather, he will try to end the fight from the first bell. If Mayweather UD's Maidana a second time I expect to see the best version of Mayweather we ever have, a Mayweather that makes the version of Mayweather that gave Marquez a clinic look like Angulo the way he would have to dance and box to keep Maidana off of him, because Maidana will be more confident, more convinced, more determined, and to be brutally honest, as crazy as it sounds, it seems like if anything Maidana is getting into Floyds head when it's usually the other way around.

[The Gambler1981]

Except he didn't break him mentally, in fact Maidana left largely unimpressed by Floyd. It's hard to tell what really hurts a fighter when you aren't the one being punched sometimes, but I just have to disagree with the thought that Floyd tried to beat him at his own game, he may have had that gameplan going in, but it was clear it wasn't going to happen early on and while Floyd adjusted, Maidana was still able to close the distance and what was even more remarkable still, is that Maidana both hit him with jabs, and made Floyd miss with good head movement! If Maidana can combine subtle tools that Garcia has implemented into his game, and still let his hands go with full steam now that he is comfortable with Floyd, it will be a long night for Floyd. While Maidana was concerned with Floyd's speed and defense, Floyd wasn't concerned with finding Maidana, he is used to hitting his opponents at will, to me this means he gave Maidana all he could with straight rights and hooks and none phased Maidana, if any did he was sure hiding it well.

Floyd will have to be very moble and active the whole fight, and blocking punches, rolling punches, and constantly pivoting will wear you down and fatigue you, it will also fatigue Maidana, but Maidana is used to having to resort to a high pace in more frequent burts, he is more used to a rough fight, and there will be no respect for Mayweather, he will try to end the fight from the first bell. If Mayweather UD's Maidana a second time I expect to see the best version of Mayweather we ever have, a Mayweather that makes the version of Mayweather that gave Marquez a clinic look like Angulo the way he would have to dance and box to keep Maidana off of him, because Maidana will be more confident, more convinced, more determined, and to be brutally honest, as crazy as it sounds, it seems like if anything Maidana is getting into Floyds head when it's usually the other way around.

Yea he didn't break him mentally that was why the fight was better than expected, he went in with the plan to break him mentally but Maidana to his credit was up to the task and had a very strong mentality. he said before the fight what he was going to do, his reasoning was bull**** but Floyd actually does that a lot fighting in a way to surprise an opponent. Maidana certainly wasn't expecting him to approach the fight like that, but once again to his credit he kept to his plan and he made it a tough go.


Floyd has a lot of things he can do, especially since he clearly won the first time and he is very versatile so he can go back to what he did the first time with some tweaks to make it easier or scrap that and go for a different approach.

Floyd has seen Maidana's best effort and he won without one of his own so no he certainly doesn't need his best effort to win a rematch when he already knows what his opponent has in the tank and what it takes to deal with that.

[Slick Veteran]

The poll is flawed because it don't close until two years later

[LoadedWraps]

Yea he didn't break him mentally that was why the fight was better than expected, he went in with the plan to break him mentally but Maidana to his credit was up to the task and had a very strong mentality. he said before the fight what he was going to do, his reasoning was bull**** but Floyd actually does that a lot fighting in a way to surprise an opponent. Maidana certainly wasn't expecting him to approach the fight like that, but once again to his credit he kept to his plan and he made it a tough go.


Floyd has a lot of things he can do, especially since he clearly won the first time and he is very versatile so he can go back to what he did the first time with some tweaks to make it easier or scrap that and go for a different approach.

Floyd has seen Maidana's best effort and he won without one of his own so no he certainly doesn't need his best effort to win a rematch when he already knows what his opponent has in the tank and what it takes to deal with that.

That's assuming Maidana won't do any better, I think he will have a much better evening for more than one reason, and Floyd didn't give his best effort but I don't think that's because he didn't need to, but because age is slowly creeping on him and Marcos fought the fight he wanted. Just because Floyd takes a step back to reset as opposed to completely running and and repositioning himself at the other end of the ring doesn't mean he tried to stay in the pocket and fight Maidanas fight, Floyd was very unfomfortable at times, was bleeding for several rounds (regardless of why) and took more punishment than you are admitting, so it's not a stretch to say he legs were taken away from him and he was genuinely frustrated at times.

At this point there are more reasons that Maidana will account for himself better than reasons that would support the idea that Floyd will.

Yes, Floyd is a master boxer who can adapt and will, but he did adapt in the first fight and Maidana adapted with him and still kept it on him, so this fight will be in ways a continuation, but Floyd hasn't proved that Maidana can't confuse him, and Maidana has proved that he can get the better of Floyd in exchanges because he already has.

One fighter is the best of this era, a master of his craft both defensively and offensively, and left impressed, and battered by his opponent.

The other fighter lives the life of an underdog and dangerous puncher who has the confidence of ten men and left unimpressed with the p4p king and felt he was the victor.

Purely the psychology of the first fight alone makes this fight nothing short of intriguing, add in that Floyd is nearing the crossroads of defying age or going over the hill, and Chino is in his prime and one of the hottest names in boxing, this fight has the potential to rattle the very foundations of history.

[The Gambler1981]

That's assuming Maidana won't do any better, I think he will have a much better evening for more than one reason, and Floyd didn't give his best effort but I don't think that's because he didn't need to, but because age is slowly creeping on him and Marcos fought the fight he wanted. Just because Floyd takes a step back to reset as opposed to completely running and and repositioning himself at the other end of the ring doesn't mean he tried to stay in the pocket and fight Maidanas fight, Floyd was very unfomfortable at times, was bleeding for several rounds (regardless of why) and took more punishment than you are admitting, so it's not a stretch to say he legs were taken away from him and he was genuinely frustrated at times.

At this point there are more reasons that Maidana will account for himself better than reasons that would support the idea that Floyd will.

Yes, Floyd is a master boxer who can adapt and will, but he did adapt in the first fight and Maidana adapted with him and still kept it on him, so this fight will be in ways a continuation, but Floyd hasn't proved that Maidana can't confuse him, and Maidana has proved that he can get the better of Floyd in exchanges because he already has.

One fighter is the best of this era, a master of his craft both defensively and offensively, and left impressed, and battered by his opponent.

The other fighter lives the life of an underdog and dangerous puncher who has the confidence of ten men and left unimpressed with the p4p king and felt he was the victor.

Purely the psychology of the first fight alone makes this fight nothing short of intriguing, add in that Floyd is nearing the crossroads of defying age or going over the hill, and Chino is in his prime and one of the hottest names in boxing, this fight has the potential to rattle the very foundations of history.

I don't think Maidana can do better, or at least much better his best hope is that Floyd does worse due to age and that he improves slightly. Then maybe he can do something with that.

I think the psychology of the fight is the opposite of the way you are thinking, Maidana is the one hung up on the fight and he is the one that needs it, so if what he does is less effective will he still be able to avoid frustration like the first time, I do not think so.

It was not about needing his best effort, but he didn't and he won so that speaks to him not needing close to his best to beat Maidana so anything better pretty much means Floyd wins.

Floyd was frustrated at times by the fouling but not really much else, and he kept his cool fouled back and won the fight clearly.

Also you really haven't answered what Maidana can do differently, you have said a lot but there is really nothing backing up your point other than hope Maidana can improve and perhaps Floyd does worse. Maidana did not adapt with Floyd that is why he did better in the first half than the second. So honestly, I have no clue what fight you were watching or what you are basing anything on but whatever disagreeing is fine.

[LoadedWraps]

I don't think Maidana can do better, or at least much better his best hope is that Floyd does worse due to age and that he improves slightly. Then maybe he can do something with that.

I think the psychology of the fight is the opposite of the way you are thinking, Maidana is the one hung up on the fight and he is the one that needs it, so if what he does is less effective will he still be able to avoid frustration like the first time, I do not think so.

It was not about needing his best effort, but he didn't and he won so that speaks to him not needing close to his best to beat Maidana so anything better pretty much means Floyd wins.

Floyd was frustrated at times by the fouling but not really much else, and he kept his cool fouled back and won the fight clearly.

Also you really haven't answered what Maidana can do differently, you have said a lot but there is really nothing backing up your point other than hope Maidana can improve and perhaps Floyd does worse. Maidana did not adapt with Floyd that is why he did better in the first half than the second. So honestly, I have no clue what fight you were watching or what you are basing anything on but whatever disagreeing is fine.

Maidana can dictate his offense behind his jab, which was affecting Floyd, and disguise body shots and straight rights behind it, then make Floyd readjust to removing the jab and putting together 3-4 punch combinations with hooks and uppercuts, then adjust the angles, then reintroduce the jab but instead of initiating offense he can use it as a distance finder and bait for counter attempts, then bring it back in and lead with overhands and straights where he found success in the first fight when he did so.

He can cut the ring off more efficiently now that he has a feel for how Floyd moves and his general speed, Maidana has quicker feet than people realize and can close the distance from 4-5 feet away in the blink of an eye while keeping his head low, if Maidana changes levels efficiently and focuses relentlessly to the body he will slow Floyd down, Maidana needs to trust his defense more, and pick his shots wisely when he has Floyd on the ropes and when it's a phonebooth fight, his volume punching worked wonders early but when Floyd adjusted he didn't become more economical and while he showed Floyd diffrent looks with varying success, he didn't pursue what worked well, he kept changing his combinations and pressuring him the same way, he adjusted with Floyd but he didn't adjust the right things whether from direction of Garcia or of his own will, but Garcia already talked about making certain technical adjustments this time around after watching tape, so there won't be a feeling out process, they know what was effective and what will give Floyd problems and I expect Maidana to not only be mentally and physically prepared but to follow Garcias gameplan and concentrate in the fight, even when Floyd starts touching him up early, because Floyd is smart enough to know that this time Marcos will be swift to pull the trigger and will have even less respect for Floyd.

[Doctor_Tenma]

I don't think Maidana can do better, or at least much better his best hope is that Floyd does worse due to age and that he improves slightly. Then maybe he can do something with that.

I think the psychology of the fight is the opposite of the way you are thinking, Maidana is the one hung up on the fight and he is the one that needs it, so if what he does is less effective will he still be able to avoid frustration like the first time, I do not think so.

It was not about needing his best effort, but he didn't and he won so that speaks to him not needing close to his best to beat Maidana so anything better pretty much means Floyd wins.

Floyd was frustrated at times by the fouling but not really much else, and he kept his cool fouled back and won the fight clearly.

Also you really haven't answered what Maidana can do differently, you have said a lot but there is really nothing backing up your point other than hope Maidana can improve and perhaps Floyd does worse. Maidana did not adapt with Floyd that is why he did better in the first half than the second. So honestly, I have no clue what fight you were watching or what you are basing anything on but whatever disagreeing is fine.

I was gonna get into that as well, other than the 8th round where he gave it his all he couldn't produce much else, that with his overblown success in the first half and I can't see him doing any better in the rematch.