Comments Thread For: Arum Reacts To Chavez Jr.'s Manager, Details Situation

[Jinkee]

Chavez should apologize to bob arum he is a great man that made people lots of money

[MC Hammer]

Sounds Chavez's contract is in fights not time. He has one more fight due to TR by 10/15. GGG could've been it without all the extra BS. ARum wanted him longer and added an option or obligation or whatever. Funny thing is, Arum never mentions this first contract until Keale does, then he acts like they're breaking up a family over there. I have a hard time trusting anything coming out of the old snakes mouth

[mrjoeblive]

In the best traditions of a Mexican soap opera we have this never-ending story. What will be in the next episode?

Seriously though, Bob makes valid arguments that make sense but Jr's manager so far provides a weak come back with no valid points... So far 2-0 in favor of Bob. And this makes Jr look ****** and a duck. Really really ******.

if you believe what bob is saying. i dont believe a word bob says. he actually said yesterday i was lying but today im telling the truth. bob wants to put a top rank leash on jr. but jr wants out of the top rank yard. there are a lot of fights to be made if he is free of bob and top rank. i dont blame him top rank has a few fighters but not enough to have a variety of top notch fights. Jr wants out and will not allow bob to pull the wool over his eyes.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

Chavez' weed suspension is probably the root of the problem.

This is what Mikey Garcia's contract said in regards to suspensions. Presumably Chavez' contract said the same thing.


It says that the total time of any suspension would automatically be added to the contract. The commission suspension was 9 months so 9 months was added to the contract's end date. The problem is that since modern boxers don't fight all that often, this wasn't really much of a suspension. Chavez would have probably fought around the same date with or without the suspension. This would explain why there's all this extra time on the contract without Bob having any secured fights for him. The number of fights Bob had to provide in the contract would have been fulfilled after the Golovkin fight, but the time Chavez had to be with Top Rank wouldn't have ended. Chavez would have had to sit it out if he didn't allow Bob to give him another fight after Golovkin. A two fight deal was just Bob trying to keep Chavez from being inactive while he was still under contract. A 3 fight deal (like the first offer) on the other hand, would have only been a 1 fight extension since the other 2 fights would have taken place while Chavez was still under contract.

You would be correct except in this case the terms of the contract would be fulfilled with one more fight. Chavez has until October of next year to complete the agreement, if he does not then yes he would be a free agent after October 2015 but he would be in breach of contract for not fulfilling the terms of the agreement. If he fights once more then his contract is fulfilled and he would be free agent, hence why Arums offer is considered an extension. What this means is Arum can lowball Jr with meaningless fight for the next year and keep him on the shelf if Jr does not except.

The section you posted is concerning a fighter missing a fight due to any of the cited factors, giving the promoter the right to extend the fulfillment date so that the agreed upon number of fights are still met with in the terms of the contract. For instance, you sign a 3 year 6 fight deal, that contractually must be fulfilled by October 2014. In 2013 you got suspended and could not fight at the end of the year. Up to that point you were fighting 2 times a year, so when 2014 rolls around I have the option to extend your contract one more year so you can fulfill your obligation, however if you fight three times in 2014 you have fulfilled your 6 fight contract and the one year extension is voided.

[DoktorSleepless]

You would be correct except in this case the terms of the contract would be fulfilled with one more fight. Chavez has until October of next year to complete the agreement, if he does not then yes he would be a free agent after October 2015 but he would be in breach of contract for not fulfilling the terms of the agreement. If he fights once more then his contract is fulfilled and he would be free agent, hence why Arums offer is considered an extension. What this means is Arum can lowball Jr with meaningless fight for the next year and keep him on the shelf if Jr does not except.

The section you posted is concerning a fighter missing a fight due to any of the cited factors, giving the promoter the right to extend the fulfillment date so that the agreed upon number of fights are still met with in the terms of the contract. For instance, you sign a 3 year 6 fight deal, that contractually must be fulfilled by October 2014. In 2013 you got suspended and could not fight at the end of the year. Up to that point you were fighting 2 times a year, so when 2014 rolls around I have the option to extend your contract one more year so you can fulfill your obligation, however if you fight three times in 2014 you have fulfilled your 6 fight contract and the one year extension is voided.

Lets again use Mikey Garcia's contract as the template for Chavez's contract. Here's what it says in regards to when the contract ends.

The contract does not say it ends when the fight obligations are over. It says it ends on that specified date unless it's terminated early or extended under one of the provisions in the contract. In the case of Chavez, the contracts end date was extended because of the suspension. Chavez may not owe Arum any more fights after the next one, but he still isn't allowed to go to a rival promoter until October 2015.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

Lets again use Mikey Garcia's contract as the template for Chavez's contract. Here's what it says in regards to when the contract ends.

The contract does not say it ends when the fight obligations are over. It says it ends on that specified date unless it's terminated early or extended under one of the provisions in the contract. In the case of Chavez, the contracts end date was extended because of the suspension. Chavez may not owe Arum any more fights after the next one, but he still isn't allowed to go to a rival promoter until October 2015.

I'm going to be honest with you, you don't understand what your reading. A fight contract is fulfilled once all fights have been completed regardless of dates. The date represents the amount of time the fighter has to fulfill the terms of the contract. That date can be extended to satisfy the fulfillment of the original contract. A 3 year 6 fight contract means a fighter has 3 years to fight 6 times, if said fighter does not fulfill the contract he will be in breach of contract and face penalties. If there is a circumstance where the fighter was unable to fight, the promoter will exercise an extension of the completion date to maximise the potential of the fighter completing the contract because there more money to be made rather then fighting in court. However that does not change the fact the said fighter is only under contract for 6 fights, once all fights are fulfilled the fighter has completed his contractual obligation regardless of date.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

Lets again use Mikey Garcia's contract as the template for Chavez's contract. Here's what it says in regards to when the contract ends.

The contract does not say it ends when the fight obligations are over. It says it ends on that specified date unless it's terminated early or extended under one of the provisions in the contract. In the case of Chavez, the contracts end date was extended because of the suspension. Chavez may not owe Arum any more fights after the next one, but he still isn't allowed to go to a rival promoter until October 2015.

What you have done is tAken one stipulation in a contract and have used to describe the workings of a contract. This section pertains specifically to an agreed upon amount of time.e to fulfill a fight obligation. The fact still remains that once all fights have been completed the contract is so completed.

[DoktorSleepless]

I'm going to be honest with you, you don't understand what your reading. A fight contract is fulfilled once all fights have been completed regardless of dates. The date represents the amount of time the fighter has to fulfill the terms of the contract. That date can be extended to satisfy the fulfillment of the original contract. A 3 year 6 fight contract means a fighter has 3 years to fight 6 times, if said fighter does not fulfill the contract he will be in breach of contract and face penalties. If there is a circumstance where the fighter was unable to fight, the promoter will exercise an extension of the completion date to maximise the potential of the fighter completing the contract because there more money to be made rather then fighting in court. However that does not change the fact the said fighter is only under contract for 6 fights, once all fights are fulfilled the fighter has completed his contractual obligation regardless of date.

The number fights aren't the only obligation a fighter has to a promoter. The obligation to give the promoter exclusive rights for any fight until the contract's end date is another obligation.

I read through all of Mikey Garcia's contract. There' no language at all that says the contract is over when the fights owed are completed. Read it yourself.


(again, my argument assumes similar language is used for Chavez contract, which is likely. I can't 100% say for sure.)

[KnickTillDeaTh]

The number fights aren't the only obligation a fighter has to a promoter. The obligation to give the promoter exclusive rights for any fight until the contract's end date is another obligation.

I read through of all Mikey Garcia's contract. There' no language at all that says the contract is over when the fights owed are completed. Read it yourself.

I will read it soon as I get a chance, I'm on a kindle right now and it won't download the pdf

[KnickTillDeaTh]

The number fights aren't the only obligation a fighter has to a promoter. The obligation to give the promoter exclusive rights for any fight until the contract's end date is another obligation.

I read through all of Mikey Garcia's contract. There' no language at all that says the contract is over when the fights owed are completed. Read it yourself.


(again, my argument assumes similar language is used for Chavez contract, which is likely. I can't 100% say for sure.)

I read the entire contract and the verbiage is exactly as I described. GArcia agreed to a certain number of fights, stipulations championship bouts defenses, till an agreed upon date and as long as all terms are fulfilled by that date then the contract is fulfilled. I think your reading into some of the extra stuff that Arum sneaks in which is why he's getting sued. But the fact still remains that Garcia like Chavez have fight obligation as stipulated in the contract as long as they fulfill those obligations the contract is compelete, however Arum has until the end of the contracted date to exercise specific clauses if any of sited events occur. Mostly promotional, many of which according to the athletics commission are illegal. If Garcia met all obligations including the clauses as he claims then Arum is out of luck because regardless of the date all obligations were fulfilled. Some lawyers call it a contract without standing.