Comments Thread For: MGM Fiasco Increases The Top Rank/Golden Boy Tension

[Hougigo]

Whether the #s are good or not I think they should still sue.

It was a bad move on them by making it public. Saying that they'd do something only if the money didn't look right. But I see MGM using something like "the right to refuse" argument. It's their building, their casino, their arena and their opinion if they did enough or not. Plus a short turnaround for their next ppv could be used as to why those posters were up.

It's gonna get ugly but I'd be pissed if I was in TR my damn self

Forgot which article, but evidently they're contracted with TR to have their promotional things inside the building.

[turnedup]

Call me crazy but I think we need to start blaming the media for the majority of this cold war..they pounce and pounce until they get a half quote then heat it up by usually misquoting and then run to the other side like "OHHHHH did you hear what he said". This is getting ridiculous now. On the marketing stuff..why is this maidana-floyd bout seems to have like promotion other than the odd poster? You couldn't avoid some sort of marketing for ortiz, guerrero, and canelo...this time around not so much. They don't seem to have spent any money advertising on boxing sites either like they have in the past. Back to the feud...all of this is absolute nonsense...rich men being baited by reporters into acting and saying ****** shhh.

[ShoulderRoll]

I bet TR and Tecate is going to sue MGM after the PPV numbers roll in and say it could've done better if they had their signs up

I could see that happening, especially if they get Pac-Rios type numbers again.

[Beater_of_ass]

The reason Schaefer didn't comment isn't because Oscar has him in check (Oscar is nothing in that company other than the name) it is because he knows that legal issues could legitimately come up and it wouldn't be good for him or his company. All I see on this site is how much Arum is a scum, stubborn etc... Yet, it's Showtime and Golden Boy who have only worked with 1 other promoter in 2+ years... that speaks volumes. Also, everyone already knows this fight is going to flop, there are a reason we never got official Ortiz and Guerrero numbers, because they were just that hugely massive flops.

Buys don't really mean anything if you end up paying more than what you bring in from PPV buys. Let's say all those fights did 1 million buys for 60 million dollars... If the cable company takes half and you owe Floyd 40 million, Golden Boy and Showtime already lost money that doesn't make it a success. That is why people resort to showing up at a rival press conference, they need to get 1.5 million buys or whatever number will make it profitable. Showtime/CBS ROYALLY ****ed up by paying Floyd that much money. Not only have they not getting better ratings than HBO by moving the entire roster they are now losing money hand over fist.

[Hougigo]

I could see that happening, especially if they get Pac-Rios type numbers again.

Nobody is going to believe the numbers unless they are Pac-Rios numbers.

[jlcelestine]

everyone already knows this fight is going to flop, there are a reason we never got official Ortiz and Guerrero numbers, because they were just that hugely massive flops.

Buys don't really mean anything if you end up paying more than what you bring in from PPV buys. Let's say all those fights did 1 million buys for 60 million dollars... If the cable company takes half and you owe Floyd 40 million, Golden Boy and Showtime already lost money that doesn't make it a success. That is why people resort to showing up at a rival press conference, they need to get 1.5 million buys or whatever number will make it profitable. Showtime/CBS ROYALLY ****ed up by paying Floyd that much money. Not only have they not getting better ratings than HBO by moving the entire roster they are now losing money hand over fist.

Except his guarantee is 33 Million, not 40 Million.

Except he has only had 2 fights on his showtime contract. One of which did 2.2 Million buys, likely making up for any "loss" taken in the Guerrero fight.

And although they do not out-rate HBO, Showtime has had a significant increase in ratings and quality of fights. You aren't going to topple the HBO Boxing brand with 2 fights from Floyd. You may not even topple it with 6 fights. But they are moving in the right direction and closing the gap. Not to mention now they have Alvarez as another PPV player who wont sell as much as Mayweather, but who wont cost as much either. Hell, Alvarez did 350k vs Angulo, and Pac did 500k vs Rios. Showtime has gotta be happy with their momentum right now.

[nycsmooth]

Media, fans & any1 in the know understands it's Floyd that 's the draw...get real Arum!!!!even Pac knows that!!!

[Deevel916]

Seems like a desperation move in my opinion. He even said... "we decided to do it here because a the reporters are already here for the Pac/Bradley fight" So basically what he's saying is that their piggy backing off of the Pacquiao / Bradley fight.

Then either Ellerbe or the mgm is lying. Ellerbe claims the fight has already sold $14 mil worth of tickets and the mgm said that they put up extra promotional signs early because the fight isn't selling well.

[Beater_of_ass]

Except his guarantee is 33 Million, not 40 Million.

Except he has only had 2 fights on his showtime contract. One of which did 2.2 Million buys, likely making up for any "loss" taken in the Guerrero fight.

And although they do not out-rate HBO, Showtime has had a significant increase in ratings and quality of fights. You aren't going to topple the HBO Boxing brand with 2 fights from Floyd. You may not even topple it with 6 fights. But they are moving in the right direction and closing the gap. Not to mention now they have Alvarez as another PPV player who wont sell as much as Mayweather, but who wont cost as much either. Hell, Alvarez did 350k vs Angulo, and Pac did 500k vs Rios. Showtime has gotta be happy with their momentum right now.

I lol'd for real after reading this: Except his guarantee is 33 Million, not 40 Million.

They are STILL losing money lmao, cable companies get 50% of that pay cut. Even if the fight does 60 million, they lose 3 million and they haven't paid any other fighter. With Khan, Broner and Maidan all getting 7 figure paydays who knows how much they lose, they also have to pay for marketing which isn't cheap either. So what if Floyd/Canelo did 2.2 million buys, that's what 130 million? Floyd just took 40 million of the 65 million that was left over and Canelo the other 10 million. I'm sure they made money on that fight, but you have to be a dumbass to think that it will be enough to make up for all the other fights that will lose money.

[big_james10]

I lol'd for real after reading this: Except his guarantee is 33 Million, not 40 Million.

They are STILL losing money lmao, cable companies get 50% of that pay cut. Even if the fight does 60 million, they lose 3 million and they haven't paid any other fighter. With Khan, Broner and Maidan all getting 7 figure paydays who knows how much they lose, they also have to pay for marketing which isn't cheap either. So what if Floyd/Canelo did 2.2 million buys, that's what 130 million? Floyd just took 40 million of the 65 million that was left over and Canelo the other 10 million. I'm sure they made money on that fight, but you have to be a dumbass to think that it will be enough to make up for all the other fights that will lose money.

The only dumbass in this scenario is you. You talk about the PPV numbers as if the promotion will lose money unless it sells 2 million. You fail to mention (or are too dumb to know about ) the live gate money, the closed-circuit money, the site fee paid by the MGM grand, the international rights and the sponsorships. Those things alone will add another $40 million to the revenue pot. There is no way this fight will lose money because of this and no other Mayweather fight has ever lost money for the same reason.