Official Mayweather vs Maidana Master Discussion & Postfight Analysis Thread

[Syf]

Why do people say stuff like this and act like Floyd hasn't improved a similar rate or better? It doesn't matter about the opponent, by the fourth round, he will on the same script as all the other boxers before him.

While its true Floyd had become wiser in the ring since Castillo, and Chavez... that wisdom is accompanied by a physically degenerative process because of his advancing age. Also, I suspect Floyd has become a bit complacent... no one has forced him to grow all that much. Maidana has been through the fire.. catalyzed from his losses... AND wins, to become better. Plus the man is at or near his physical prime.

its gonna be a good fight.

[BabyFaceAssasin]

Mayweather by decision....

[dc3383]

While its true Floyd had become wiser in the ring since Castillo, and Chavez... that wisdom is accompanied by a physically degenerative process because of his advancing age. Also, I suspect Floyd has become a bit complacent... no one has forced him to grow all that much. Maidana has been through the fire.. catalyzed from his losses... AND wins, to become better. Plus the man is at or near his physical prime.

its gonna be a good fight.

Now that's the one word I would never describe Floyd as.

[ADP02]

Devon and Floyd are different stylistically and Maidana is much improved since that fight, people need to stop bringing up Maidanas losses to Devon/Khan like they mean something other than 2 L on his record, because they really don't.

Why, because the truth hurts? Seriously, if Floyd does what Devon does to neutralize Maidana's offense and the ref allows that kind of negative fighting, what will Maidana do? I will tell you what. Go check out the Devon Alexander fight and you will know what. Maidana will get even more frustrated with Floyd because he has even more ways to frustrate you than Devon does.

All we saw is Maidana beat a few fighters that come to you face first and one guy who jumped multiple divisions in a little over a year. That is not Floyd. Floyd has been at 147+ since 2005 and Floyd does not fight the same way that Lopez or Soto fights.

[Syf]

Now that's the one word I would never describe Floyd as.

Why not? He's great but I often wonder if he's had TOO much victory? Too much riches and luxury? Those are the type of things that can take a fighter's edge.

Why, because the truth hurts? Seriously, if Floyd does what Devon does to neutralize Maidana's offense and the ref allows that kind of negative fighting, what will Maidana do? I will tell you what. Go check out the Devon Alexander fight and you will know what. Maidana will get even more frustrated with Floyd because he has even more ways to frustrate you than Devon does.

All we saw is Maidana beat a few fighters that come to you face first and one guy who jumped multiple divisions in a little over a year. That is not Floyd. Floyd has been at 147+ since 2005 and Floyd does not fight the same way that Lopez or Soto fights.

Well if you can bring up Devon and khan, we are equally entitled to mention Castillo and Jesus Chavez.

[dc3383]

Why not? He's great but I often wonder if he's had TOO much victory? Too much riches and luxury? Those are the type of things that can take a fighter's edge.




Well if you can bring up Devon and khan, we are equally entitled to mention Castillo and Jesus Chavez.

He's not a media darling who is constant praise to a point where complacency can set in. He's a ha*****ual spender and knows he has to keep winning to keep those 8 figure checks coming. As long as he's undefeated I don't think he will ever be complacent.

[ADP02]

Why not? He's great but I often wonder if he's had TOO much victory? Too much riches and luxury? Those are the type of things that can take a fighter's edge.




Well if you can bring up Devon and khan, we are equally entitled to mention Castillo and Jesus Chavez.

Yes you can .... but most here would not be calling me a Floyd fan. Actually, the opposite! I'm just speaking the truth.

The odds are not in Maidana's favor. I wished that Maidana had the goods so we could have seen a competitive fight but what I have seen so far of Maidana does not give me the hope that you seem to have.

The best I can see is that Maidana, like Cotto, does better than expected and has a few decent rounds.

Pros for Maidana: Just look at the Broner fight. Those awkward punches connect well against that type of defense. The difference is that Floyd does more than just use the shoulder roll. He also moves better than Broner did in that fight. Finally, I can see Floyd tying up, elbowing, ..... doing everything in the book to slow down Maidana's offense.

So that brings me back to the Devon fight. Maidana got frustrated. So he needs to learn from that fight. Meaning, what to do when faced with similar or in this case, a better defensive fighter in the future (May 2014).

[Syf]

He's not a media darling who is constant praise to a point where complacency can set in. He's a ha*****ual spender and knows he has to keep winning to keep those 8 figure checks coming. As long as he's undefeated I don't think he will ever be complacent.

Maybe not... but wouldnt you say some of his opponents spoil him a bit by giving him too much respect?

Last guy that kept coming forward and walked through Floyd was Guerfailo I guess but he didnt do it how I envision it. Plus he has no pop and is too predictable..

before him was JMM.. blown up..fat.. and a natural counter puncher being forced to wear a pressure guy's hat..

before him was hatton and wasnt that a fun fight? I also think Maidana is just as relentless but more measured than Hatton.. while carrying a bigger "tire iron in his trunk" *borrowed from Lampley*

Dlh was pretty aggressive but stressed points more than hurting Floyd.. just look at his clinch work.. flailing and inneffective.. he was banking on points from that and didnt get them.

Baldomir was much slower than maidana with less power..

then we have Gatti... but Floyd was prime.. I mean PRIME for that fight.

Ndou.. fun fight.

Now weve worked our way to Castillo and Chavez havent we..

my point is most of his opponents get into a boxing match with him... or afford him too much mental and/or physical respect. Cotto.. canelo.. mosley.. ortiz..judah.. and many others are guilty of this.. mayweather maidana is a fun fight because maidana is a guy that wont give Mayweather too much respect.. and he's pretty crafty with his angles.

The best I can see is that Maidana, like Cotto, does better than expected and has a few decent rounds.

Pros for Maidana: Just look at the Broner fight. Those awkward punches connect well against that type of defense. The difference is that Floyd does more than just use the shoulder roll. He also moves better than Broner did in that fight. Finally, I can see Floyd tying up, elbowing, ..... doing everything in the book to slow down Maidana's offense.

So that brings me back to the Devon fight. Maidana got frustrated. So he needs to learn from that fight. Meaning, what to do when faced with similar or in this case, a better defensive fighter in the future (May 2014).

The best I can see for Maidana is he does better than many of Floyd's opponents have. He could even surprise Floyd with his very decent jab (and we all know Floyd's weakness is a good jab)... and use that to get an overhand in. He has potential to be a Floyd slayer.. he just has to put it all together.

Speaking devon.. yes he learned from Devon. He has a world class coach and s & c coach... plus he has personally said he got lazy with food in the devon fight... Observe his approach to the clinch with Devon and compare it with his approach to the clinch with Broner. They are night and day.


it will be a fun fight.

[ADP02]

Maybe not... but wouldnt you say some of his opponents spoil him a bit by giving him too much respect?

Last guy that kept coming forward and walked through Floyd was Guerfailo I guess but he didnt do it how I envision it. Plus he has no pop and is too predictable..

before him was JMM.. blown up..fat.. and a natural counter puncher being forced to wear a pressure guy's hat..

before him was hatton and wasnt that a fun fight? I also think Maidana is just as relentless but more measured than Hatton.. while carrying a bigger "tire iron in his trunk" *borrowed from Lampley*

Dlh was pretty aggressive but stressed points more than hurting Floyd.. just look at his clinch work.. flailing and inneffective.. he was banking on points from that and didnt get them.

Baldomir was much slower than maidana with less power..

then we have Gatti... but Floyd was prime.. I mean PRIME for that fight.

Ndou.. fun fight.

Now weve worked our way to Castillo and Chavez havent we..

my point is most of his opponents get into a boxing match with him... or afford him too much mental and/or physical respect. Cotto.. canelo.. mosley.. ortiz..judah.. and many others are guilty of this.. mayweather maidana is a fun fight because maidana is a guy that wont give Mayweather too much respect.. and he's pretty crafty with his angles.






The best I can see for Maidana is he does better than many of Floyd's opponents have. He could even surprise Floyd with his very decent jab (and we all know Floyd's weakness is a good jab)... and use that to get an overhand in. He has potential to be a Floyd slayer.. he just has to put it all together.

Speaking devon.. yes he learned from Devon. He has a world class coach and s & c coach... plus he has personally said he got lazy with food in the devon fight... Observe his approach to the clinch with Devon and compare it with his approach to the clinch with Broner. They are night and day.


it will be a fun fight.

Why the jab is good against Floyd is because that is what has a chance of getting to Floyd when he is in is shoulder roll defensive position. It also comes in the quickest and straightest. So it's harder to defend against.

BUT a jab is NOT going to win you fights. Maidana will need to add the rest of his arsenal BEHIND the jab to be successful.

So that brings me back to Maidana's awkwardness. Maidana will need to be able to cut the ring off so that he can get to Floyd just like he did Broner. If Maidana can cut off the ring and also learn how to stay away from being "held" when he gets in close, then his chances increases .... but saying and doing are 2 entirely different things.

Another issue that Maidana seems to have is that he gasses out in the later rounds. Broner was definitely coming back in that fight when he was walking Maidana down. Fortunately for Maidana, Broner left himself open a few times and Maidana was able to make Broner pay for those mistakes. So hopefully Maidana comes in the best shape of his life.

[dc3383]

Maybe not... but wouldnt you say some of his opponents spoil him a bit by giving him too much respect?

Last guy that kept coming forward and walked through Floyd was Guerfailo I guess but he didnt do it how I envision it. Plus he has no pop and is too predictable..

before him was JMM.. blown up..fat.. and a natural counter puncher being forced to wear a pressure guy's hat..

before him was hatton and wasnt that a fun fight? I also think Maidana is just as relentless but more measured than Hatton.. while carrying a bigger "tire iron in his trunk" *borrowed from Lampley*

Dlh was pretty aggressive but stressed points more than hurting Floyd.. just look at his clinch work.. flailing and inneffective.. he was banking on points from that and didnt get them.

Baldomir was much slower than maidana with less power..

then we have Gatti... but Floyd was prime.. I mean PRIME for that fight.

Ndou.. fun fight.

Now weve worked our way to Castillo and Chavez havent we..

my point is most of his opponents get into a boxing match with him... or afford him too much mental and/or physical respect. Cotto.. canelo.. mosley.. ortiz..judah.. and many others are guilty of this.. mayweather maidana is a fun fight because maidana is a guy that wont give Mayweather too much respect.. and he's pretty crafty with his angles.

Not showing respect will get him chopped up a reckless abandon approach is a recipe for disaster; I think he needs to mix it up some aggression be a little dirty. But

Not showing respect will get him chopped up a reckless abandon approach is a recipe for disaster; I think he needs to mix it up some aggression be a little dirty. But if he lets Floyd catch his rhythm it's all over from there. To me Floyd needs show dominance from bell 1 and have Maidana backing up. Broner let him control from the opening bell which set the tone for the fight. But I do think Maidana style will make Floyd open up offensively which is what I'm looking forward to.