Official Mayweather vs Maidana Master Discussion & Postfight Analysis Thread

[Ray Corso]

It's amazing that people actually care about this garbage!!!

These are hand picked bouts by the fighter who is the Champ, Promoter, Manager, Match Maker, and the Boxing Janitor! Meaning he cleans up!

You people actually believe this crap? Do you see what happens in these hand picked bouts?
Its like a spar session no opponent actually puts his ballz down to win NONE of them.

The ******ity of todays boxing fans lets this garbage continue, boxing isn't even talked about within sports circles anymore.
Its not relative because these bouts are BS! Are you blind? Its a sport!

Glorified spar sessions with absolutely NO consequences attached!

Its become Wraslin' you hillbillies don't even know it! Ray.

[Syf]

It's silly to me to count Maidana out.

I keep seeing "This is a style that Mayweather always fights" how? When's the last time Mayweather fought a genuine come forward, aggressive fighter who will bring it for 12 rounds with power in both hands?

Need to bare in mind that Mayweather is 37 aswell, he's no spring chicken.

I agree with this, man. It seems in boxing, at least, we share some common ground

Who has Maidana fought on the same level as Floyd; lets be honest other Ortiz Maidana more than likely loses to all then and is 50/50 with Guerrero.

Well, no one. But that's not the point. I'm pretty sure Castillo and Jesus Chavez and Cotto never fought anyone like Floyd either. Sure, Cotto faced a prime PAC but that's a different mental game and fight. Plus the very fact he had been stopped by PAC and Margarito , IMO, made him more wary of counters than someone who had never been mentally broken before. We are talking intangibles here, not skill level.

The bigger question is who has Maidana fought or beaten on Mayweather's level? And no, Adrian Broner isn't the answer.

I can name numerous fighters Mayweather has beaten on Maidana's level and above Maidana's level.

Maidana has always been a straightforward honest type of fighter. Fighters have arose against him that use tactics that would be considered dishonorable under any other lights besides boxing lights. Holding..running.. Home cooked decisions. Ect. Ever since he's had those losses to those types, he's seemed to adapt to these tactics. Especially since he got with Robert Garcia. With a strong jab and mental awareness of what to expect.. I would say he's more equipped to handle the holding and running and what not now. He now knows not everyone is going to go Mano y Mano how he likes. Not everyone is going to stay strictly honorable either. They will be prepared for what he no doubt considers craven tactics.

After all, Khan is a very accomplished runner.. And Devon is the hold master.

Floyd runs some.. Holds some.. But he mixes it up. Maidana saw the worst of holding and running. Floyd's middle ground approach will give Maidana opportunity to catch him in transition between his different forms of defense. In short, his versatility may well work against him this time.

This is awesome.

It's amazing that people actually care about this garbage!!!

These are hand picked bouts by the fighter who is the Champ, Promoter, Manager, Match Maker, and the Boxing Janitor! Meaning he cleans up!

You people actually believe this crap? Do you see what happens in these hand picked bouts?
Its like a spar session no opponent actually puts his ballz down to win NONE of them.

The ******ity of todays boxing fans lets this garbage continue, boxing isn't even talked about within sports circles anymore.
Its not relative because these bouts are BS! Are you blind? Its a sport!

Glorified spar sessions with absolutely NO consequences attached!

Its become Wraslin' you hillbillies don't even know it! Ray.

Floyd's fights often look like sparring matches, but that's because Floyd is at the top of his game and his preferred fight, when things go his way as they often do, is a sparring match. The requirement is finding a fighter with the right combination of attributes to take Floyd out of his groove. Because Floyd is so skilled, skill isnt even what I'm looking at(even though MM is underrated skill wise for whatever reason) I'm looking at mentality, strength, and intangibles. As I've said before, Floyd is a hypnotist with fists out there... The key to beating him, IMO, isn't outskilling him.. It's out gutting him. To throw his mental game right back in his face with a mental stronghold of your own. MM is well equipped to deal with a trickster because he's dealt with them before on both extremes of holding and moving...and he's very mentally strong. He's the type that would be on the stage of a hypnotist watching everyone oink like pigs and hop on one foot like they are crazy, and just shake his head.

THAT is the factor that is being underestimated here, by boxing insiders, trainers, fighters, and you name it.


Oh, and I was born and raised in NYC, relocated to AL. Far from a hillbilly.

[Da Machine]

It's amazing that people actually care about this garbage!!!

These are hand picked bouts by the fighter who is the Champ, Promoter, Manager, Match Maker, and the Boxing Janitor! Meaning he cleans up!

You people actually believe this crap? Do you see what happens in these hand picked bouts?
Its like a spar session no opponent actually puts his ballz down to win NONE of them.

The ******ity of todays boxing fans lets this garbage continue, boxing isn't even talked about within sports circles anymore.
Its not relative because these bouts are BS! Are you blind? Its a sport!

Glorified spar sessions with absolutely NO consequences attached!

Its become Wraslin' you hillbillies don't even know it! Ray.

Man get the fuck out of hear and go cum to Arum's recycled rematches over there at Top Rank.

[Syf]

Hey look at his speed bag work on this vid. Compared to when he used to have to track the bag with his opposing hand for a moment...its much more seamless now. This is on some Rocky 3 ****.




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[dc3383]

I agree with this, man. It seems in boxing, at least, we share some common ground



Well, no one. But that's not the point. I'm pretty sure Castillo and Jesus Chavez and Cotto never fought anyone like Floyd either. Sure, Cotto faced a prime PAC but that's a different mental game and fight. Plus the very fact he had been stopped by PAC and Margarito , IMO, made him more wary of counters than someone who had never been mentally broken before. We are talking intangibles here, not skill level.



Maidana has always been a straightforward honest type of fighter. Fighters have arose against him that use tactics that would be considered dishonorable under any other lights besides boxing lights. Holding..running.. Home cooked decisions. Ect. Ever since he's had those losses to those types, he's seemed to adapt to these tactics. Especially since he got with Robert Garcia. With a strong jab and mental awareness of what to expect.. I would say he's more equipped to handle the holding and running and what not now. He now knows not everyone is going to go Mano y Mano how he likes. Not everyone is going to stay strictly honorable either. They will be prepared for what he no doubt considers craven tactics.

After all, Khan is a very accomplished runner.. And Devon is the hold master.

Floyd runs some.. Holds some.. But he mixes it up. Maidana saw the worst of holding and running. Floyd's middle ground approach will give Maidana opportunity to catch him in transition between his different forms of defense. In short, his versatility may well work against him this time.




This is awesome.




Floyd's fights often look like sparring matches, but that's because Floyd is at the top of his game and his preferred fight, when things go his way as they often do, is a sparring match. The requirement is finding a fighter with the right combination of attributes to take Floyd out of his groove. Because Floyd is so skilled, skill isnt even what I'm looking at(even though MM is underrated skill wise for whatever reason) I'm looking at mentality, strength, and intangibles. As I've said before, Floyd is a hypnotist with fists out there... The key to beating him, IMO, isn't outskilling him.. It's out gutting him. To throw his mental game right back in his face with a mental stronghold of your own. MM is well equipped to deal with a trickster because he's dealt with them before on both extremes of holding and moving...and he's very mentally strong. He's the type that would be on the stage of a hypnotist watching everyone oink like pigs and hop on one foot like they are crazy, and just shake his head.

THAT is the factor that is being underestimated here, by boxing insiders, trainers, fighters, and you name it.


Oh, and I was born and raised in NYC, relocated to AL. Far from a hillbilly.

All around great replies

[joseph5620]

I agree with this, man. It seems in boxing, at least, we share some common ground



Well, no one. But that's not the point. I'm pretty sure Castillo and Jesus Chavez and Cotto never fought anyone like Floyd either. Sure, Cotto faced a prime PAC but that's a different mental game and fight. Plus the very fact he had been stopped by PAC and Margarito , IMO, made him more wary of counters than someone who had never been mentally broken before. We are talking intangibles here, not skill level.



Maidana has always been a straightforward honest type of fighter. Fighters have arose against him that use tactics that would be considered dishonorable under any other lights besides boxing lights. Holding..running.. Home cooked decisions. Ect. Ever since he's had those losses to those types, he's seemed to adapt to these tactics. Especially since he got with Robert Garcia. With a strong jab and mental awareness of what to expect.. I would say he's more equipped to handle the holding and running and what not now. He now knows not everyone is going to go Mano y Mano how he likes. Not everyone is going to stay strictly honorable either. They will be prepared for what he no doubt considers craven tactics.

After all, Khan is a very accomplished runner.. And Devon is the hold master.

Floyd runs some.. Holds some.. But he mixes it up. Maidana saw the worst of holding and running. Floyd's middle ground approach will give Maidana opportunity to catch him in transition between his different forms of defense. In short, his versatility may well work against him this time.




This is awesome.




Floyd's fights often look like sparring matches, but that's because Floyd is at the top of his game and his preferred fight, when things go his way as they often do, is a sparring match. The requirement is finding a fighter with the right combination of attributes to take Floyd out of his groove. Because Floyd is so skilled, skill isnt even what I'm looking at(even though MM is underrated skill wise for whatever reason) I'm looking at mentality, strength, and intangibles. As I've said before, Floyd is a hypnotist with fists out there... The key to beating him, IMO, isn't outskilling him.. It's out gutting him. To throw his mental game right back in his face with a mental stronghold of your own. MM is well equipped to deal with a trickster because he's dealt with them before on both extremes of holding and moving...and he's very mentally strong. He's the type that would be on the stage of a hypnotist watching everyone oink like pigs and hop on one foot like they are crazy, and just shake his head.

THAT is the factor that is being underestimated here, by boxing insiders, trainers, fighters, and you name it.


Oh, and I was born and raised in NYC, relocated to AL. Far from a hillbilly.

All of those fighters are completely different from the other. If you're counting on Mayweather fighting like either one, you'll find out differently soon enough.

[LoadedWraps]

All of those fighters are completely different from the other. If you're counting on Mayweather fighting like either one, you'll find out differently soon enough.

Just like if you are expecting Maidana to fight like any of Floyds previous opponents, you will find out differently soon enough.

[joseph5620]

Just like if you are expecting Maidana to fight like any of Floyds previous opponents, you will find out differently soon enough.

I never said Maidana was going to fight like other Mayweather opponents. That's the difference. Just like you'll find out the difference in caliber between the two soon enough.

Just don't make any excuses after it happens.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

I never said Maidana was going to fight like other Mayweather opponents. That's the difference. Just like you'll find out the difference in caliber between the two soon enough.

Just don't make any excuses after it happens.

Yeah,, totally agree,,, maidana is an exciting fighter, with some decent skills, but floyd is on a whole other level...

Maidana wont get whitewashed like ghost and canelo did, but he will be beaten by a wide margin,, im 100% sure....

Maidana couldnt handle khan or devon,, but now he is gonna beat floyd..SMH

Maidana has a punchers chance, but when you say that about a fighter, it usually means he has no chance...


I have noticed that older posters like ray corso, joseph and myself think its a wide margin in talent difference,, younger posters get caught up in the present day hype, but after watching boxing for decades they will realize that you cant believe the hype in boxing,,, I was the same way when i was younger and i thought nobody could beat Iran Barkley, he was a monster,,,,
You live and you learn

[IronDanHamza]

Yeah,, totally agree,,, maidana is an exciting fighter, with some decent skills, but floyd is on a whole other level...

Maidana wont get whitewashed like ghost and canelo did, but he will be beaten by a wide margin,, im 100% sure....

Maidana couldnt handle khan or devon,, but now he is gonna beat floyd..SMH

Maidana has a punchers chance, but when you say that about a fighter, it usually means he has no chance...


I have noticed that older posters like ray corso, joseph and myself think its a wide margin in talent difference,, younger posters get caught up in the present day hype, but after watching boxing for decades they will realize that you cant believe the hype in boxing,,, I was the same way when i was younger and i thought nobody could beat Iran Barkley, he was a monster,,,,
You live and you learn

Whilst I agree with what you're saying, you've got to consider that Mayweather is 37 years old, Maidana has clearly improved since Khan and Alexander (Definitely Khan) and it's the first time he's fought a consistent pressure fighter in a while.

I agree with what you're saying and I think Floyd wins the fight but this is a dangerous fight IMO.