Did Pac duck Shane in 09?

[IronDanHamza]

You used Hatton as your example but Hatton was a 140 fighter not a 147 fighter. Secondly, who from TR would you have suggested that would give Manny, a good fight, a title and good PPV numbers? So yes, I took your example and told you why it is different than Mosley/Cotto situation.

There is more I could have added but that was besides the point and others have already stated it in this thread.

In other words, you can't call that a duck when you just fought instead as your first true WW, a title holder that beat Mosley. Then add that Cotto was a sure thing as far as PPV numbers and a TR fighter and as I said before, something that I knew, most people knew and so it's easy to say, Roach knew, right?

At least those 2 names were the top of the heap. If Manny would be polling Khan/Maidana while there was Floyd who was calling you out, would you be calling Manny a ducker? If you say that Manny ducked Mosley then for sure in that scenario, which is what Floyd is in, should be called a duck of the century!!!

I can just imagine your response " .... but....bla di bla bla ..."

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I know that's a different scenario.

The point being made is you can't use the TR/GBP excuse like attempted to. But seemingly you've swiftly changed your reasoning now, considering.

I didn't actually say Pacquaio ducked Mosley.

But it's pretty clear and obvious that Roach and Co didn't want any parts of Shane when he was the #1 WW and P4P #3. For whatever reason, as long as the reason given; "He's too good".

They fought Cotto instead, which is fine because that was a good match up and the next best one after Mosley at that time.

[Zano-24]

I don't even have to watch the video linked to know that he did duck Mosley in 09. I remember very well what Roach said about never wanting to fight that version of Mosley but wanted to fight him at a CW or wait a few years down the road. He even had Manny saying it. At 147 both Manny and Floyd have been handpicking their opponents. Instead of people arguing about it, they need to agree because it is the honest truth. There is a video of Roach saying that Cotto wasn't the same after his fight with Margarito. This was right after his fight with Clottey where Roach said he felt Clottey won.

[Kuyukut]

pacquiao and the word, 'duck, don't belong together in a sentence. duck is a word used solely for a scared coward like fraud jr.

[ADP02]

I know that's a different scenario.

The point being made is you can't use the TR/GBP excuse like attempted to. But seemingly you've swiftly changed your reasoning now, considering.

I didn't actually say Pacquaio ducked Mosley.

But it's pretty clear and obvious that Roach and Co didn't want any parts of Shane when he was the #1 WW and P4P #3. For whatever reason, as long as the reason given; "He's too good".

They fought Cotto instead, which is fine because that was a good match up and the next best one after Mosley at that time.

There is nothing done swiftly on my part. They had Cotto who was a TR fighter who beat Mosley and so on and you are now agreeing that the Hatton fight was a different scenario. So that is what I stated.

It appears that you agree with everything else, so that is that ...

[American Dream]

Yes. Pac ducked him...waited til AFTER Floyd whooped him, then AFTER he drawed with Sergio Mora for goodness sakes, til he wasn't "too good" anymore..
Smh

You guys know that they're not in the same:

• Weight Class
• Height

and thus the catchweight compromise...just like the Margarito fight. Him in the lower weight, for not fighting Mosley initially isn't an avoidance. If Pac offers Mosley and Mosley declines then it is an avoidance.

Mayweather, like Mosley, is on a higher weight class as well...

Such ridiculousness..I can't tell if you're trolling....

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

If this is when Shane was begging for the fight even so much so that he said he fight him at 143?

If so then yes Pac did duck Shane. I remember Mosley coming to the wildcard and Roach telling to his face NO YOURE TOO GOOD.


Then after an ass whooping from Floyd and a horrible Mora fight THEN Pac/Roach wanted it. AFTER Arum blasted Mosley for having nothing left.

[IronDanHamza]

There is nothing done swiftly on my part. They had Cotto who was a TR fighter who beat Mosley and so on and you are now agreeing that the Hatton fight was a different scenario. So that is what I stated.

It appears that you agree with everything else, so that is that ...

Well, clearly you did. It's all there to see.

You were using the GBP/TR feud as an excuse but that wasn't the case at that time.

But like I said the fact remains that at the time the #1 WW and #3 P4P was apparently "Too good". It is what it is.

[jimboinbigd]

Pac ducked Shane and Floyd in 2009 and 2010. Only after Floyd beat Shanes azz did Pac and company agree to fight Shane at a fair weight.

[ADP02]

Well, clearly you did. It's all there to see.

You were using the GBP/TR feud as an excuse but that wasn't the case at that time.

But like I said the fact remains that at the time the #1 WW and #3 P4P was apparently "Too good". It is what it is.

Does there need to be a feud for a promoter to pick his fighters that are equally capable opponent since he beat Mosley and who had a title and it was Manny's first true test against a WW? Most thought that Cotto was too much.

Much better than selecting Marquez for Floyd ..... there are interviews where Floyd said no to a Mosley fight and you guys went on protecting that. Where was Marquez ranked at the time at WW? At JWW?

[Canelo Phresh]

No.

Roach new what's up and most here get it too. That is, they already had Cotto lined up and Roach knew that there was no way that Mosley was going to get a fight with Manny when there was a Top Rank opponent who BEAT Mosley who was ready and able to fight Manny next and that would have given great PPV numbers.

This. I hate the business of the sport sometimes but Manny had to strike while the iron was hot. Cotto was and still is a proven ppv commodity. That why we get the cash out ppv of Martinez v Cotto. BTW if Martinez even has 6 rounds worth of movement left in him hes ko'ing Cotto.