Manny Pacquiao Vs Timothy Bradley 2 & Undercards Master Discussion Thread

[KRITKL]

Joel Diaz SLAMS Freddie Roach; Ass Kisser & Fake Trainer Of Year

Seems like Roach was right. The gameplan for Tim is to box. Really hope Tim still has some anger to get out and decides to exchange.
Either way it's going to be good.

[jas]

Seems like Roach was right. The gameplan for Tim is to box. Really hope Tim still has some anger to get out and decides to exchange.
Either way it's going to be good.

i think tim is gonna start out boxing then he is gonna have no choice late on because he will be down on the scorecards. and tim has loads of heart and the skill to come on strong late on.

[crazed_z06]

It it so on...


War Pacman!

[KRITKL]

i think tim is gonna start out boxing then he is gonna have no choice late on because he will be down on the scorecards. and tim has loads of heart and the skill to come on strong late on.

Agreed
Tim is one tough SOB, but Manny is still dangerous even late in to a fight. Playing right in to Pac's hands if he has to come forward and Pac came to make a statement this fight.

[-MEGA-]

By Kieran Mulvaney

Timothy Bradley Jr. is a passionate guy at the best of times; his proverbial heart firmly affixed to his proverbial sleeve, he eschews filters and willingly shares his thoughts on any subject. So much so that he has discussed at length the fact that he had been badly concussed during his brutal 12-round war with Ruslan Provodnikov last year. In an age where public figures in general, and athletes in particular, often appear guarded and practiced in their public utterances, it’s an outlook that is as refreshing as it can be disarming.

In the build-up to this Saturday’s rematch with Manny Pacquiao, however, Bradley has at times seemed to turn the dial all the way up to 11, as Nigel Tufnell might say. But if anyone questions why the undefeated welterweight title holder might be carrying a chip on his shoulder in the aftermath of his highly disputed points victory over Pacquiao in 2012, it’s worth listening to some thoughts he shared with a handful of reporters at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas this week. Here’s what he said when asked to describe what his life was like in the weeks and months that followed his first go-round with the Filipino icon:

“I would go to a gas station, and [people in another car would] leave and then they’d shout something. ‘You didn’t win that fight, you didn’t beat Pacquiao.’ ‘Yeah, you’re driving away right now; you’re not going to say that face.’ And then occasionally you’ll get some brave guys who want me to slap them upside the head, but I’m not going to get in a lawsuit. I learned from a lot of guys. When I make a mistake, it’s going to be something you ain’t seen before. But I’m not going to slap anybody.

“It’s really hard to swallow. That night, man, I did my job. Everybody blamed me for it, but I just did my job, man, that’s all I did. I thought the fight was very close. I thought the decision could go either way. But the fact that they gave it to me: I thought it was fair. There are a lot of fights that Pacquiao has been in and he got the decision, and the fans didn’t think it was fair.

“Me and my wife would be sitting there in bed reading all this stuff. We’d get phone calls. Once a death threat arrived in the mail, I was like, ‘This is ridiculous.’ Plus, I got letters from fans just belittling me like crazy, telling me I’m not a true champion, and ‘Don’t go patting yourself on the back, you didn’t win.’ And I’m like, ‘Man, this sucks.’ And I was the laughing stock of the media. It was a bad moment. I didn’t know if I wanted to box any more, I didn’t know if I even wanted to live any more. ‘This sucks, man, this isn’t what it’s supposed to be like.’

“The turning point was getting away. I didn’t read anything. I don’t read too much anymore. I realized the important things in my life. I realized what was important in my life. I realized who is important. I can accept criticism. I don’t care anymore. I got told every word that could possibly be said to me. Now, don’t nothing affect me. You can tell me I suck, that I’m the worst fighter in the world, that I’m a horrible human being. I’m just going to look at you and laugh. I know who I am. I’m a great fighter.”

[KRITKL]

By Kieran Mulvaney

Timothy Bradley Jr. is a passionate guy at the best of times; his proverbial heart firmly affixed to his proverbial sleeve, he eschews filters and willingly shares his thoughts on any subject. So much so that he has discussed at length the fact that he had been badly concussed during his brutal 12-round war with Ruslan Provodnikov last year. In an age where public figures in general, and athletes in particular, often appear guarded and practiced in their public utterances, it’s an outlook that is as refreshing as it can be disarming.

In the build-up to this Saturday’s rematch with Manny Pacquiao, however, Bradley has at times seemed to turn the dial all the way up to 11, as Nigel Tufnell might say. But if anyone questions why the undefeated welterweight title holder might be carrying a chip on his shoulder in the aftermath of his


highly disputed points victory over Pacquiao in 2012, it’s worth listening to some thoughts he shared with a handful of reporters at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas this week. Here’s what he said when asked to describe what his life was like in the weeks and months that followed his first go-round with the Filipino icon:

“I would go to a gas station, and [people in another car would] leave and then they’d shout something. ‘You didn’t win that fight, you didn’t beat Pacquiao.’ ‘Yeah, you’re driving away right now; you’re not going to say that face.’ And then occasionally you’ll get some brave guys who want me to slap them upside the head, but I’m not going to get in a lawsuit. I learned from a lot of guys. When I make a mistake, it’s going to be something you ain’t seen before. But I’m not going to slap anybody.

“It’s really hard to swallow. That night, man, I did my job. Everybody blamed me for it, but I just did my job, man, that’s all I did. I thought the fight was very close. I thought the decision could go either way. But the fact that they gave it to me: I thought it was fair. There are a lot of fights that Pacquiao has been in and he got the decision, and the fans didn’t think it was fair.

“Me and my wife would be sitting there in bed reading all this stuff. We’d get phone calls. Once a death threat arrived in the mail, I was like, ‘This is ridiculous.’ Plus, I got letters from fans just belittling me like crazy, telling me I’m not a true champion, and ‘Don’t go patting yourself on the back, you didn’t win.’ And I’m like, ‘Man, this sucks.’ And I was the laughing stock of the media. It was a bad moment. I didn’t know if I wanted to box any more, I didn’t know if I even wanted to live any more. ‘This sucks, man, this isn’t what it’s supposed to be like.’

“The turning point was getting away. I didn’t read anything. I don’t read too much anymore. I realized the important things in my life. I realized what was important in my life. I realized who is important. I can accept criticism. I don’t care anymore. I got told every word that could possibly be said to me. Now, don’t nothing affect me. You can tell me I suck, that I’m the worst fighter in the world, that I’m a horrible human being. I’m just going to look at you and laugh. I know who I am. I’m a great fighter.”

It's a shame he had to go through all that in his life and career to figure out what really is important in his life. Dude speaks his mind, keeps it real, got to take my hat off to Bradley.

[Dr Rumack]

i think tim is gonna start out boxing then he is gonna have no choice late on because he will be down on the scorecards. and tim has loads of heart and the skill to come on strong late on.

I agree. There's no way that Tim Bradley would go down without a fight.

The question is whether or not he will feel the need to. JMM thought outboxing Manny was going to be enough in their third fight, and it wasn't until after that he realised that he had to step to Pacquiao and put big shots on him to actually beat him. Beating Pacquiao in a low action fight is extremely difficult because when Pacquiao flurries that's what the judges remember, especially if he has the crowd behind him.

The strange thing coming into this fight is that Bradley actually did get a decision against Pacquiao in a (relatively) low action fight. For whatever reason, maybe because of the fallout from the Marquez fight, the judges favoured Bradley's consistent activity over Pacquiao's flurries.

So what's Bradley going to be thinking if the dynamic is similar to the first fight? Is he really going to think 'I'm losing this', or is he going to think 'I'm out working this guy again'.

Both Diaz and Tim are talking like they won't get the decision unless they make it really clear, but JMM was saying similar stuff in the lead-up to the third fight and wound up fighting conservatively as hell. It took that experience for him to change his entire strategy.

That's the big question coming into this weekend really, is Bradley treating that first fight as a victory or a defeat? If he sees it as a victory, he'll feel his best bet is to follow broadly the same strategy and look to outwork Manny while controlling the distance. If he sees it as a loss, then we'll see him load up on those right hands and look to make some dents.

I hope that's the attitude Bradley adopts. We'll see a great fight if he does.

[SplitSecond]

if the roles were reversed, i wonder if the people who gave bradley the first as a "clear" round would give it to pacquiao if it was pacquiao that did nothing but throw innacurate, inneffective pitter patter shots then was made to look like an idiot by getting caught by two huge right hands right down the shoot like that(amongst some other smaller punches)

can you imagine it? pacquiao's head snapping back, hair sticking up like he has just been hit by a thunderbolt

[SplitSecond]

lol, i just imagine pacquiao getting owned on the ropes, rolling his ankles, stumbling all over the place and being pushed back by bradley

literally lol'd, anyway, nearly fight day, good luck to both guy's supporters, may the best man win

[Robbie Barrett]

if the roles were reversed, i wonder if the people who gave bradley the first as a "clear" round would give it to pacquiao if it was pacquiao that did nothing but throw innacurate, inneffective pitter patter shots then was made to look like an idiot by getting caught by two huge right hands right down the shoot like that(amongst some other smaller punches)

can you imagine it? pacquiao's head snapping back, hair sticking up like he has just been hit by a thunderbolt