Floyd Mayweather Jr vs. Manny Pacquiao Master Discussion Thread

[Boxing1836]

Yeah but Floyd can change the fight with one punch. Pacquiao has been knocked out 3 times in his career. Floyd will find him with a counter and zap his lights.

Are your really going to go by 2 knockouts when he was a malnourished poor fighter with bad training? Marquez sure, but if you really want to think about about it, he is the only fighter to knockdown pac in years, like a decade. You better hope floyd has marquez power, because more than likely he is not going down

[Spoon23]

:facepalm:

Real boxing fans and analysis's know Floyd Mayweather would win, hence look at the results of the poll. Pact*rds will continue to be delusional and live in their fantasy world, dreaming that Pacman would beat Mayweather.

It ain't gon' happen!

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You know the funny thing is, if you followed Pac's career. All those so called boxing experts were saying Pac will lose. And you know every time Pac proved them wrong. That's the greatness of the guy. He is always being put down by boxing experts and every time he wins and makes this so called boxing experts eat crow. This people who doesn't believe in Pac are dwindling more and more. Once he beats Floyd. Pac will be on top of he world. No one will dispute it.

Come fight night. Pac's rare talent and unorthodox boxing skill will show again to this so called boxing experts that Pac's style is supreme against Floyd. Can't wait to see this so called boxing experts eat crow again.

[Pigeons]

Are your really going to go by 2 knockouts when he was a malnourished poor fighter with bad training? Marquez sure, but if you really want to think about about it, he is the only fighter to knockdown pac in years, like a decade. You better hope floyd has marquez power, because more than likely he is not going down

Mayweather has more power than Marquez.

[Spoon23]

And if you followed pac's last fight against Algieri. Pac was against a runner. Who kept on moving. This recent version of Pac was able to find Algieri even though he kept on running. Among all the opponents of Pac. Algieri was the most running opponent Pac ever faced, and Pac still caught him.

Pac has polished catching runners and cutting them so they can't escape, especially boxing in the corner.

That Algieri fight tells me Pac is ready for a running Floyd. So wether Floyd runs or go toe to toe. Pac is well adept to any situation. Can't wait!

[RoastTeamCon]

And if you followed pac's last fight against Algieri. Pac was against a runner. Who kept on moving. This recent version of Pac was able to find Algieri even though he kept on running. Among all the opponents of Pac. Algieri was the most running opponent Pac ever faced, and Pac still caught him.

Pac has polished catching runners and cutting them so they can't escape, especially boxing in the corner.

That Algieri fight tells me Pac is ready for a running Floyd. So wether Floyd runs or go toe to toe. Pac is well adept to any situation. Can't wait!

[Spoon23]

Mayweather has more power than Marquez.

You dimwit. Anyone who gets caught flushed like how Marquez did to Pac will surely go down. Even Floyd. That was a perfect counter shot.

That said, Floyd has enough respectable power to keep opponents honest, but to knock out Pac will only happen if Pac over commits or makes a careless mistake. Which he won't in this epic match. Pac is experienced and won't risk mbeing caught like that again. He has learned his lesson and therefore he is more wiser in the ring.

[Carpe Diem]

I would just like to add that Floyd will be 38 years old when/if this fight goes down. I don't think it takes much to see that in recent fight (vs Cotto, Maidana 1 and others) Floyd has become an increasingly easy target to hit. Plus, I realize he has a very good defense, but there are a lot of miles on Floyd's body and though I think MM will win, I could see Pac out hustling him and his speed causing floyd problems.

Simply put, I'm not sure that 38yr old Floyd can handle Pac's speed (even tho it has decreased as well). Floyd's success in this fight would depend on his ability to maintain his accurate punching and slick defense--but like I said, his footwork has definitely slowed, and even if punches aren't landing clean, I invite you to go back and look at how easily Maidana pinned Floyd against the ropes and unleashed on him (especially in first fight).

Styles make fights. If Pacquiao is somehow able to learn how to cut the ring off and apply a mauling aggressive tactic against Floyd like Maidana, Hatton, Cotto, etc, did, then I'd bet on him to beat Floyd, but he's simply not that type of fighter. It's true Floyd isn't the same athlete in his late 30's as he once was in his early to late 20's, but you can say the same about Manny. Floyd doesn't need to match Pacquiao speed for speed, he'll just need to anticipate Manny's attack, lure him to make mistakes, and time him him.

He'll smother Manny's attack by staying close to him at times. Manny needs space to operate effectively just like Floyd does, but the difference between them is, Floyd is still comfortable even when he has no space to set up his offense, he knows how to punching space and beats his opponents at their own game. Manny can be beaten in more than just one way.


The ideal way to fight him is to mix up your offense and fight smart(smother his offset, counter him before he sets up his best punches, etc). You can't go in there thinking you'll knock him out by swinging wild punches and not setting up anything effective like, Bradley did. You can't fight him by moving all the time because you won't be able to sit down on your punches and set up anything effective. You'll just end smothering your own offense by constantly moving like, Algeiri did.


Ineffective lateral and body movements are pointless. Bradley and Algeiri did a lot of unnecessary exaggerated body/lateral movements against Manny that caused them more harm than good.


Floyd isn't going to jump the gun and fight like a novice. Floyd's style is obviously not pleasing to a lot of fans, but it's highly effective and he doesn't waste anything in the ring. He doesn't throw punches just to hope that two-three land. He likes to set up his offense and want to make sure that every punches he throws land. It's why he usually looks quick/fast when he throws one punch, but looks a bit slower when he throws 3-4 punches because he wants to make sure he connects every punch at the intended target areas.


Erroll Spence doesn't look very fast, but he knows where to place his punches and is an accurate effective puncher. This is something that Floyd does so well.


I expect Manny to hit Floyd enough to make it a competitive bout and i wouldn't be surprised if he were to buckled him or drop him, but if he doesn't score a quick KO, then i expect a UD clinic in favor of, Floyd. Manny's offense can be neutralize and Floyd damn sure knows how to shut down his opponent's bread and butter offense.

[Spoon23]

Styles make fights. If Pacquiao is somehow able to learn how to cut the ring off and apply a mauling aggressive tactic against Floyd like Maidana, Hatton, Cotto, etc, did, then I'd bet on him to beat Floyd, but he's simply not that type of fighter. It's true Floyd isn't the same athlete in his late 30's as he once was in his early to late 20's, but you can say the same about Manny. Floyd doesn't need to match Pacquiao speed for speed, he'll just need to anticipate Manny's attack, lure him to make mistakes, and time him him.

He'll smother Manny's attack by staying close to him at times. Manny needs space to operate effectively just like Floyd does, but the difference between them is, Floyd is still comfortable even when he has no space to set up his offense, he knows how to punching space and beats his opponents at their own game. Manny can be beaten in more than just one way.


The ideal way to fight him is to mix up your offense and fight smart(smother his offset, counter him before he sets up his best punches, etc). You can't go in there thinking you'll knock him out by swinging wild punches and not setting up anything effective like, Bradley did. You can't fight him by moving all the time because you won't be able to sit down on your punches and set up anything effective. You'll just end smothering your own offense by constantly moving like, Algeiri did.


Ineffective lateral and body movements are pointless. Bradley and Algeiri did a lot of unnecessary exaggerated body/lateral movements against Manny that caused them more harm than good.


Floyd isn't going to jump the gun and fight like a novice. Floyd's style is obviously not pleasing to a lot of fans, but it's highly effective and he doesn't waste anything in the ring. He doesn't throw punches just to hope that two-three land. He likes to set up his offense and want to make sure that every punches he throws land. It's why he usually looks quick/fast when he throws one punch, but looks a bit slower when he throws 3-4 punches because he wants to make sure he connects every punch at the intended target areas.


Erroll Spence doesn't look very fast, but he knows where to place his punches and is an accurate effective puncher. This is something that Floyd does so well.


I expect Manny to hit Floyd enough to make it a competitive bout and i wouldn't be surprised if he were to buckled him or drop him, but if he doesn't score a quick KO, then i expect a UD clinic in favor of, Floyd. Manny's offense can be neutralize and Floyd damn sure knows how to shut down his opponent's bread and butter offense.

What you've forgotten is Pac is a southpaw. Floyd's shoulder roll won't work.

Hence, his only option is to fight in a orthodox boxing stance. That alone tells me Pac has him in the bag.

What you guys fail to see is that, Floyd is his best when he using his complete defensive arsenal. The thing is he can't rely on his shoulder roll against Pac, hence, Pac's busy nature will push Floyd to the ropes. And Pac will finish him.

Without Floyd's shoulder roll, he becomes incomplete, hence Floyd's hesitation in fighting Pac for 7 years now.

Without his shoulder roll, Floyd becomes an ordinary fighter.

[mrpizza-nd_beer]

Anyone who says Pac doesn't know how to cut the ring is because he doesn't need to. He relied mostly on his superb footwork to catch scurrying opponents. The few times I've seen Pac actually cut the ring it didn't end up well for his opponent. His massive calves get him through playing catch up. Just watch the cotto and algieri fights, see how he rarely tries to cut the ring but when he does they get beat up.

[jas]

I like PAC in this fight

His aggression and activity will see him to a points victory