Floyd Mayweather Jr vs. Manny Pacquiao Master Discussion Thread

[The Big Dunn]

How many times are you going to try to use the refused twice nonsense? It's not a good argument, and i've seen you admit multiple times that the 40 million no ppv offer was not a fair deal. You always fail to mention that there was a counter offer to Floyd of 50 million that he refused. There's also the whole thing that you like to ignore about Floyd not even being willing to try to negotiate.

Floyd (about Manny) -"I'd be happy if the fight never gets made."

You sir, are the dumbass.

Well what good is signing onto tmt if he "refuses" to fight?

What you've also seen is me say IDGAF if it's unfair because it wouldn't have had to be made if the 1st one wasn't refused. Please list my whole argument, not a piece of it.

There is no question 2 offers were refused. As I told djtmal the only thing is the convoluted logic used by manny fans or the anti floyd set to try and take manny off the hook for those decisions.

It's simple-everything you and others say about jmm regarding the 5th manny fight-replace jmm with manny and keep it moving.

We don't have to like the same fighters. But you would never use that ****** **** like. Asking for testing equals ducking in any other situation. ****ing embarrassing.

If you can easily list the things you believed floyd did to not make fight, do same with manny. Is it that hard guys?

[jas]

will fraud call out manny post-fight?

will jim gray mention manny?

[Elroy1]

Pacquiao KO Mayweather late.

Pac will sustain many sharp counter punchers from the laser accurate Floyd and have much reduced accuracy against the ultra defensive master.

But the toughness and the aggression and blistering speed and relentless volume from the super human Pacquaio will ultimately overwhelm the cowardly and weak spirited Mayweather.

And that's why this fight will NEVER happen

[fighter1234]

Pacquiao KO Mayweather late.

Pac will sustain many sharp counter punchers from the laser accurate Floyd and have much reduced accuracy against the ultra defensive master.

But the toughness and the aggression and blistering speed and relentless volume from the super human Pacquaio will ultimately overwhelm the cowardly and weak spirited Mayweather.

And that's why this fight will NEVER happen

Sigh...Manny couldn't even knock down jr welterweights who have been down before in their careers and nearly stopped. What reasoning do you have that he will knock out a guy that has never been knocked down, and also happens to be one of the greatest defensive fighters who ever lived?

[Elroy1]

Sigh...Manny couldn't even knock down jr welterweights who have been down before in their careers and nearly stopped. What reasoning do you have that he will knock out a guy that has never been knocked down, and also happens to be one of the greatest defensive fighters who ever lived?

He has not been knocked down because he has not taken really any clean shots from hard punchers. Despite his clearance of damage, he is regarded rightfully as having a glassy jaw (within reason). Ironically, despite Manny Pacquiao having been knocked down/out on several occasions, he has taken many hard knocks over his career, a consequence of his style, and in my estimation possesses probably a better chin that Floyd!

Speculation you say, that could very well be all wrong and the other way around?

Maybe. But to answer your question, Floyd has never fought anybody with the particular combination of speed, power, aggression and output that MAnny brings to the table before.

We just seen what happened to Floyd against Maidana, basically a B-level version of MAnny (meaning no disrespect).

So perhaps your original question should be rephrased to a statement, something like...

"AS IF! Manny could not knock out the wimpy MAyweather "

Or thereabouts

[Caught Square]

He has not been knocked down because he has not taken really any clean shots from hard punchers. Despite his clearance of damage, he is regarded rightfully as having a glassy jaw (within reason). Ironically, despite Manny Pacquiao having been knocked down/out on several occasions, he has taken many hard knocks over his career, a consequence of his style, and in my estimation possesses probably a better chin that Floyd!

Speculation you say, that could very well be all wrong and the other way around?

Maybe. But to answer your question, Floyd has never fought anybody with the particular combination of speed, power, aggression and output that MAnny brings to the table before.

We just seen what happened to Floyd against Maidana, basically a B-level version of MAnny (meaning no disrespect).

So perhaps your original question should be rephrased to a statement, something like...

"AS IF! Manny could not knock out the wimpy MAyweather "

Or thereabouts

[djtmal]

What you've also seen is me say IDGAF if it's unfair because it wouldn't have had to be made if the 1st one wasn't refused. Please list my whole argument, not a piece of it.

There is no question 2 offers were refused. As I told djtmal the only thing is the convoluted logic used by manny fans or the anti floyd set to try and take manny off the hook for those decisions.

It's simple-everything you and others say about jmm regarding the 5th manny fight-replace jmm with manny and keep it moving.

We don't have to like the same fighters. But you would never use that ****** **** like. Asking for testing equals ducking in any other situation. ****ing embarrassing.

If you can easily list the things you believed floyd did to not make fight, do same with manny. Is it that hard guys?

You say Pacquaio flat out refused testing, when there is media print that he actually agreed to blood testing, but both parties couldn't come to terms on cutoff dates, so both parties walked away. Thats just not the same thing.

You can't really knock a fan of Manny's for thinking Floyd wasn't sincere in making the fight due to the type of testing he was trying to implement at that time, and how willing he was on finding some middle ground on the cutoff dates, but we've hashed this stuff over and again, everybody has pretty much formulated their opinion, and sticking to it at this point its 2014

[The Big Dunn]

You say Pacquaio flat out refused testing, when there is media print that he actually agreed to blood testing, but both parties couldn't come to terms on cutoff dates, so both parties walked away. Thats just not the same thing.

You can't really knock a fan of Manny's for thinking Floyd wasn't sincere in making the fight due to the type of testing he was trying to implement at that time, and how billing he was on finding some middle ground on the cutoff dates, but we've hashed this stuff over and again, everybody has pretty much formulated their opinion, and sticking to it at this point its 2014

If you don't agree to all, you don't agree. Floyd adjusted his terms and many still wouldn't agree. Manny caused both parties to walk away. There is no dis*****g this.

There is no connection between type of testing requested and wanting the fight. Did Tyson not want to fight Holyfield because he asked for testing? come on, that kind of justification thinking in place of plain logic and reason has no place here.

You are right, most people have dug in their heels.

[icha]

this fight is getting made in 2015, two fights oscar promotes one and arum promotes the other one, negotiations are almost a done deal... just remember, you heard it from me first...

[djtmal]

If you don't agree to all, you don't agree. Floyd adjusted his terms and many still wouldn't agree. Manny caused both parties to walk away. There is no dis*****g this.

There is no connection between type of testing requested and wanting the fight. Did Tyson not want to fight Holyfield because he asked for testing? come on, that kind of justification thinking in place of plain logic and reason has no place here.

You are right, most people have dug in their heels.

What I stick to, is those two guys being 1a and 1b, it was a Mexican standoff in 2009, and the expiration date on who's to blame most is way expired.

So what's going on now that Pacquaio is clearly the b side. Does he still have to dump Arum? Sign to TMT? Endorse sleep master pillows?