Giving Floyd Mayweather his credit...and some

[hectari]

Hey guys, how about some honesty. Yeah, no ppv for a huge ppv draw is an insult. To offset that, floyd offered a guarantee of $40 mil to a man who has never made more than $28 mil for a fight as the "A" side where he gets most of the ppv.

Fact remains that Manny's promoter asked JMM and Tim to join TR before they got a fight with Manny. They agreed. Manny made Rios take testing before they fought. Rios agreed.

Now Manny is the "b" side to floyd if they fight. No matter how much you love manny its clear that as the b side he will haveto make concessions to get the fight. Its as if you guys think he is entitlted to something more.

Kovalev just took short money on the road and won. JMM did same. Tim did but IMO he got a gift decision. If manny wants the floyd fight Its not unreasonable that he be forced to do the same things he makes his opponents do to get a fight with him.

I recall that Arum put Pacman in with barrera, JMM, Oscar and Hatton all golden boy fighters once they resolved their feud. the second time around Arum wasn't going to take golden boys BS and **** talk, if anything Richard and Oscar were the two faces they only apologized to Arum first time after the manny pacquiao contract dispute because Mayweather retired after the hatton fight and they had no one left, once Floyd came back Richard and Oscar got arrogant and started talking **** again.

Has nothing to do with Arum, Arum never made Sergio Martinez sign with him to fight Chavez Jr.

Arum just doesn't want to deal with two faced guys anymore. and Floyd is the one who keeps bringing up that Pac has to leave Arum, Arum said many times he will do business with Floyd its Floyd who won't do business with Arum, why? it makes no sense to be honest. If floyd really wanted the fight he would just do the fight.

Didn't Floyd say Pacman had to sign with his company first and fight a few fights?

And I ain't defending Arum because to me all promoters are on the same page, its all business, just setting it straight.

[Frank Ducketts]

The logic of beating a guy without facing him:

"Floyd Mayweather would have knocked Paul Williams out because he's a better boxer than Carlos Quintana."

"Floyd Mayweather would've knocked Antonio Margarito out because he beat a 38 year old, inactive Mosley 16 months later."

"Floyd Mayweather would've knocked Manny Pacquiao out because he beat Juan Manuel Marquez."

Floyd Mayweather gets credit for wins and knockouts he had no part in, he even gets credit for knockouts that didn't happen in his own fights.

"He would've knocked Marquez out but he was too fat."

"He would've stopped Mosley if he would've exchanged more."

"He would've knocked Cotto out if he didn't have the sniffles."

"He would've knocked Guerrero out if he didn't hurt his hand."

"He would've knocked Canelo out if he didn't bump his elbow."

"He would've knocked Oscar out if not for the 10 oz gloves...they both wore."

"He would'n't have lost to Castillo if he didn't hurt his shoulder."

"He wouldn't of ran from big bad Baldomir if he didn't hurt his hand or shoulder or ribs or whatever the excuse was here."

"He would have more knockouts if he didn't fight so many slick fighters...oh wait, that doesn't make any sense...I should stop here."

He would've, he should've, he didn't. He would've, he could've, but he ducked instead. Enough people. Floyd Mayweather is nothing more than an elaborate illusion. You've been duped.

Floyd would've had some losses, but he wanted to win every fight.

[The Big Dunn]

I recall that Arum put Pacman in with barrera, JMM, Oscar and Hatton all golden boy fighters once they resolved their feud. the second time around Arum wasn't going to take golden boys BS and **** talk, if anything Richard and Oscar were the two faces they only apologized to Arum first time after the manny pacquiao contract dispute because Mayweather retired after the hatton fight and they had no one left, once Floyd came back Richard and Oscar got arrogant and started talking **** again.

Has nothing to do with Arum, Arum never made Sergio Martinez sign with him to fight Chavez Jr.

Arum just doesn't want to deal with two faced guys anymore. and Floyd is the one who keeps bringing up that Pac has to leave Arum, Arum said many times he will do business with Floyd its Floyd who won't do business with Arum, why? it makes no sense to be honest. If floyd really wanted the fight he would just do the fight.

Didn't Floyd say Pacman had to sign with his company first and fight a few fights?

And I ain't defending Arum because to me all promoters are on the same page, its all business, just setting it straight.

You can't have it both ways. Sergio has nothing to do with this. You can't justify every time manny refuses to fight and then criticize floyd for not wanting to work with Bob.


It's really simple. Plenty of fighters, including floyd, have taken short money or a crappy deal to get the chance at the big fight. Manny is no different. If he doesn't want to do this and doesn't make the fght fine-just hold him accountable for his actions.

You said $40 mil was insulting, but you won't admit its way more than Manny has ever made or will make. Yes, the fight will gross a lot more and yes, manny wont get an equal cut. Canelo didn't with floyd, floyd didn't with ODH. DIdn't stop them from making the fight.

[Frank Ducketts]

Hearns would have ko'd Floyd.

I don't know about that but I'm absolutely sure that Hearns would've literally killed Matthysse.

[rr00676]

You said $40 mil was insulting, but you won't admit its way more than Manny has ever made or will make.

It doesn't matter if it would've been Manny's best payday, his own PPV numbers are worthy of a fair %.

[Talisayen]

This fight between Floyd and Pac is doomed since the start and would never take place until Floyd stops moving the goal post to a reachable stretch for both fighters.

[dynomyte1444]

I recall that Arum put Pacman in with barrera, JMM, Oscar and Hatton all golden boy fighters once they resolved their feud. the second time around Arum wasn't going to take golden boys BS and **** talk, if anything Richard and Oscar were the two faces they only apologized to Arum first time after the manny pacquiao contract dispute because Mayweather retired after the hatton fight and they had no one left, once Floyd came back Richard and Oscar got arrogant and started talking **** again.

Has nothing to do with Arum, Arum never made Sergio Martinez sign with him to fight Chavez Jr.

Arum just doesn't want to deal with two faced guys anymore. and Floyd is the one who keeps bringing up that Pac has to leave Arum, Arum said many times he will do business with Floyd its Floyd who won't do business with Arum, why? it makes no sense to be honest. If floyd really wanted the fight he would just do the fight.

Didn't Floyd say Pacman had to sign with his company first and fight a few fights?

And I ain't defending Arum because to me all promoters are on the same page, its all business, just setting it straight.

This whole post is filled with holes that you have filled with delusion.

You say man golden boy got arrogant and started talking ****.

floyd doesnt want to work with arum, it doesnt make sense.

Well for one none of it makes sense to you because your not there. One thing you can bank on is there is bad blood.

Arum is a dirty and devious dude(not saying hes the only one) but hes admitted that he lied about things and when people called him out on it he said I was lying then but now im telling the truth. How could you ever trust a guy like that

[hectari]

This whole post is filled with holes that you have filled with delusion.

You say man golden boy got arrogant and started talking ****.

floyd doesnt want to work with arum, it doesnt make sense.

Well for one none of it makes sense to you because your not there. One thing you can bank on is there is bad blood.

Arum is a dirty and devious dude(not saying hes the only one) but hes admitted that he lied about things and when people called him out on it he said I was lying then but now im telling the truth. How could you ever trust a guy like that

Holes your reply is nothing but vague and hole filled.

You explained nothing.

Its already proven that Arum is not protecting Manny, he has bad blood with golden boy but Floyd has fake bad blood with arum, when he sees arum he hugs him and praises him, yet he makes up the lame crap like he wont fight Manny cause of arum, get a hint dude he means I will never fight him. its all ducking moves. Arum hasn't bad mouthed Floyd in ages and even said he would work with him but Floyd doesn't want to.

And Oscar and Richard are the ones who ****ed Arum over, if you don't believe that you are a fool. stop falling for the smoke and mirrors, every promoter is shady, why single out bob, I bet you are one of those that think the Shadow aka Haymon is a great man just cause he is with Floyd.

[dynomyte1444]

Holes your reply is nothing but vague and hole filled.

You explained nothing.

Its already proven that Arum is not protecting Manny, he has bad blood with golden boy but Floyd has fake bad blood with arum, when he sees arum he hugs him and praises him, yet he makes up the lame crap like he wont fight Manny cause of arum, get a hint dude he means I will never fight him. its all ducking moves. Arum hasn't bad mouthed Floyd in ages and even said he would work with him but Floyd doesn't want to.

And Oscar and Richard are the ones who ****ed Arum over, if you don't believe that you are a fool. stop falling for the smoke and mirrors, every promoter is shady, why single out bob, I bet you are one of those that think the Shadow aka Haymon is a great man just cause he is with Floyd.

I single out Bob for making just TR fights.

How about when Golden Boy offered up money for a donaire vs mares.

Bob is keeping money in house. Im not falling for anything that isnt proven. Open your eyes dude. I dont trust any promoter but i will trust evidence.

everything that you say or agreed with was nothing but personal feelings blinded by hate

[Calm down mate]

Brilliant thread, like Merchant said, he's more exciting for the drama outside of the ring than inside it.

Mayweather is a hype job, an illusion indeed.

It's hilarious how his hardcore ass lickers believe everything he says too, with the blaming Arum for everything, hating on HBO I mean they hate on a frigging tv network just because their hero says it's bad