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    Originally posted by Frank Ducketts View Post
    But that's Matthysse's style. The Matthysse corner did good. What else were they supposed to do? They had endswell, they used their fingers and actually opened the eye? What did the corner do wrong?
    I was speaking to strategy, not handling the eye. I thought they handled the eye okay. Not much you can do when that happens.

    Matthysse was not nearly as aggressive as he should have been. He could have ensured that close rounds were his. He didn't let his hands go, nor did he throw any combinations. Plus he did not cut-off the ring whatsoever. He let Danny get off first while backing up. Obviously, credit goes to Danny who had the better handspeed and gameplan. I thought both guys respected the other's power a little bit too much. I thought DG made it his fight and put his stamp on the fight. Matthysse never did that. Again, credit to Danny for boxing masterfully; however, everyone knows Matthysse could have performed better. That's where the lack of a plan B or complex strategy was the death knelt imo. He needs better trainers who can utilize his skill set a bit better. If he's going to fight like Maidana, might as well train with Robert Garcia. I would like to see him team up with Sergio Martinez's trainer.

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      Originally posted by PeterNeversoft View Post
      Weird thing: I feel it was Danny's body punches and not head shots that won him the fight. I remember some nice shots to Matthysse face but the body combinations landed on Lucas stick out in my mind.
      They helped take a lot of steam off of Matthysse's shots.

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        Originally posted by IronDanHamza View Post
        It's funny because I see the same people who were screaming about "How can you give clear Matthysse rounds to Judah" in that fight are now giving Matthysse the 4th round of this fight which was clearly Garcia's round.

        People talk about bias, but the bias in these kind of situations are so obvious.
        the 4th was the only clear garcia round in the first 6. the first and third were not clear although garcia probably did win them. i have no problem with 3-3. the problem is with round 11 where garcia was dominated but scored a fluke knockdown after the bad reffing. people making a lot of excuses for garcia and weeks in order to pretend that was some kind of legit knockdown. the guy was stuck between the ropes after an illegal punch hit him and you can't even say it was bad reffing? ref is not supposed to let that happen. he's supposed to protect the fighters and matthysee wasn't able to protect himself at that time because of the ropes so why was weeks there? he wasn't doing his job. he needed the ref to either forget to do his job or a corrupt ref to win the fight. without that knockdown he loses and that's a fact. but to you that's a schooling. fluke knockdown due to bad reffing WHAT A GAMEPLAN GARCIA HAS! who knew garcia would come up with the rabbit punch your opponent into the ropes so he gets tangled and then keep punching him while the ref does nothing strategy. brilliant!
        Last edited by daggum; 09-21-2013, 10:00 PM.

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          Originally posted by daggum View Post
          the 4th was the only clear garcia round in the first 6. the first and third were not clear although garcia probably did win them. i have no problem with 3-3. the problem is with round 11 where garcia was dominated but scored a fluke knockdown after the bad reffing. people making a lot of excuses for garcia and weeks in order to pretend that was some kind of legit knockdown. the guy was stuck between the ropes after an illegal punch hit him and you can't even say it was bad reffing? ref is not supposed to let that happen. he's supposed to protect the fighters and matthysee wasn't able to protect himself at that time because of the ropes so why was weeks there? he wasn't doing his job. aka garcia is the best.
          Tony Weeks didn't have his best night but Tony Weeks didn't push him over.

          The punch was behind the head that caused Matthysse to get turned into the ropes but it wasn't intentional and it happened very fast you can't expect Weeks to jump on that that quickly. Those kind of situations (The shot to the back of the head) happen all the time in fights.

          When he was in the ropes the punch dropped him, he wasn't even that badly tangled in all honesty. It wasn't a "fluke" knockdown.

          Like I said, if it was the other way round you'd have no problem with it.

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            Originally posted by robust_ View Post
            I was speaking to strategy, not handling the eye. I thought they handled the eye okay. Not much you can do when that happens.

            Matthysse was not nearly as aggressive as he should have been. He could have ensured that close rounds were his. He didn't let his hands go, nor did he throw any combinations. Plus he did not cut-off the ring whatsoever. He let Danny get off first while backing up. Obviously, credit goes to Danny who had the better handspeed and gameplan. I thought both guys respected the other's power a little bit too much. I thought DG made it his fight and put his stamp on the fight. Matthysse never did that. Again, credit to Danny for boxing masterfully; however, everyone knows Matthysse could have performed better. That's where the lack of a plan B or complex strategy was the death knelt imo. He needs better trainers who can utilize his skill set a bit better. If he's going to fight like Maidana, might as well train with Robert Garcia. I would like to see him team up with Sergio Martinez's trainer.
            do you know how to throw combinations when someone is grabbing both your arms? karate kicks? what is this bowe-tillery?

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              Originally posted by robust_ View Post
              I was speaking to strategy, not handling the eye. I thought they handled the eye okay. Not much you can do when that happens.

              Matthysse was not nearly as aggressive as he should have been. He could have ensured that close rounds were his. He didn't let his hands go, nor did he throw any combinations. Plus he did not cut-off the ring whatsoever. He let Danny get off first while backing up. Obviously, credit goes to Danny who had the better handspeed and gameplan. I thought both guys respected the other's power a little bit too much. I thought DG made it his fight and put his stamp on the fight. Matthysse never did that. Again, credit to Danny for boxing masterfully; however, everyone knows Matthysse could have performed better. That's where the lack of a plan B or complex strategy was the death knelt imo. He needs better trainers who can utilize his skill set a bit better. If he's going to fight like Maidana, might as well train with Robert Garcia. I would like to see him team up with Sergio Martinez's trainer.
              There is a reason why he wasn't aggressive as he should've been. Danny's incoming. Throwing combinations against Danny would be very dangerous. I just don't know what Matthysse could've done better considering his style. He rarely feints, and doesn't commit to the jab. The body punching of Danny was a big factor because it brought Matthysse's hands down for Danny to land 3 HIS combos. I just don't see what Matthysse can do better if there were a rematch.

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                Robust, how did you score the Matthysse Garcia fight? Not everyone wants to post their scores. They just want to complain, lmao.

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                  Originally posted by daggum View Post
                  do you know how to throw combinations when someone is grabbing both your arms? karate kicks? what is this bowe-tillery?
                  Crybaby likes to cry.

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                    Originally posted by IronDanHamza View Post
                    Tony Weeks didn't have his best night but Tony Weeks didn't push him over.

                    The punch was behind the head that caused Matthysse to get turned into the ropes but it wasn't intentional and it happened very fast you can't expect Weeks to jump on that that quickly. Those kind of situations (The shot to the back of the head) happen all the time in fights.

                    When he was in the ropes the punch dropped him, he wasn't even that badly tangled in all honesty. It wasn't a "fluke" knockdown.

                    Like I said, if it was the other way round you'd have no problem with it.
                    more excuses. he wasn't that tangled. it wasn't intentional. it happened fast. facts are he was hit with an illegal punch that got him tangled and you have no problem with that. you keep mentioning what happened after he was tangled like that matters. the fight should have been stopped when he was tangled what don't you get about that? also isn't the ref supposed to warn fighters when they commit obvious fouls like rabbit punches whether they are on purpose or not? they are still fouls no? shouldn't he have said hey watch the rabbit punches danny. oh wait this is the same ref who let garcia low blow matthysse over and over without doing anything.

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                      Originally posted by daggum View Post
                      without that knockdown he loses and that's a fact. but to you that's a schooling.
                      Nobody will ever take you serious about the sport of boxing and how to score a fight ever again. You're the worst poster on this site. You should be banned for this offensive statement. Moron!

                      I knew I would force it out of you by ignoring your sorry ass until you said the unbelievable. Now I have a legit reason why I don't ever have to talk to you ever again. #Loser

                      Floyd stood in the pocket all night. I bet you had Canelo winning, lmao. My last post to you.

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