Al Bernstein: "Lennox Lewis Is The Greatest Heavyweight Of All Time"

[Flash13]

LL possibly would beat Ali in a head to head fight and be favourite. But when its down to resume I think Ali wins, Ali fought in a stronger era and that's why Ali is so highly rated.

Not so much that Ali couldn't be beat.

I highly doubt Lewis would beat ali.... I can tell you that Lewis would have gotten torched against foreman. I would be impressed if he lasted four rounds. I know bowe ducked him, but all lennoxs best wins were well past their prime fighters.

[yoz]

How so?

The second Holyfield fight was clearly a close fight that certainly could have gone either way.

It's funny that people deny this as if it never happened because of the robbery in the first fight.

A guy that was knocked out twice by fringe contenders and had a close fight with a well passed prime Holyfield is apparently unbeatable

Or I suppose he was in shape for the first one and not the second one.

Well, motivation would have been a factor - that's almost certain. I remember watching: it was an absolute stinker. Holyfield kept launching himself at Lewis, head first.

But, still, the scorecards weren't close.

Judge: Chuck Giampa 116-112
Judge: Bill Graham 117-111
Judge: Jerry Roth 115-113

Lewis landed 195 punches, while Holyfield landed 137.

I had Lewis up 4 rounds.

Next.

[IronDanHamza]

Well, motivation would have been a factor - that's almost certain. I remember watching: it was an absolute stinker. Holyfield kept launching himself at Lewis, head first.

But, still, the scorecards weren't close.

Judge: Chuck Giampa 116-112
Judge: Bill Graham 117-111
Judge: Jerry Roth 115-113

Lewis landed 195 punches, while Holyfield landed 137.

I had Lewis up 4 rounds.

Next.

Oh that's convenient every time he loses or struggles its an excuse.

First Mcall fight - Green. But strangely he wasn't green against Ruddock.

Rahman - not in shape

Holyfield - unmotivated

What about Bruno? What's the excuse for that one?

The fact is he is CLEARLY beatable.

Using punchstats is honestly moronic.

Perhaps not as much as using the scorecards, considering the first fight. But moronic none the less.

Scorecards and punchstats aside, the fight was obviously very close.

[yoz]

Oh that's convenient every time he loses or struggles its an excuse.

First Mcall fight - Green. But strangely he wasn't green against Ruddock.

Rahman - not in shape

Holyfield - unmotivated

What about Bruno? What's the excuse for that one?

The fact is he is CLEARLY beatable.

Using punchstats is honestly moronic.

Perhaps not as much as using the scorecards, considering the first fight. But moronic none the less.

Scorecards and punchstats aside, the fight was obviously very close.

OK, what you returned with is weak ^. You'd have faired better by bringing Vitali into discussion.

1) McCall - legitimate loss. Was dominating McCall (albeit one and bit rounds), and gets caught flush. **** happens. It's HW boxing.
2) Rahman - filming Oceans Eleven; avenged in brutal fashion.
3) Holyfield - he beat him twice, so i'm not sure where you're going with that line of argument.
4) He stopped Bruno..., so ...


Every fighter is beatable. They're not machines, dude.

[IronDanHamza]

OK, what you returned with is weak ^. You'd have faired better by bringing Vitali into discussion.

1) McCall - legitimate loss. Was dominating McCall (albeit one and bit rounds), and gets caught flush. **** happens. It's HW boxing.
2) Rahman - filming Oceans Eleven; avenged in brutal fashion.
3) Holyfield - he beat him twice, so i'm not sure where you're going with that line of argument.
4) He stopped Bruno..., so ...


Every fighter is beatable. They're not machines, dude.

But the point being refuting is the idea of him being Unbeatable.

I'm not sure why you are refusing to acknowledge that the second fight was a fight that clearly could have gone either way.

Saying "look at the punchstats" or "the cards were wide" is the most foolish of retorts.

I'm using the fight to indicate he's obviously beatable.

I used Bruno because despite stopping him it's another fight he struggled in. What's the excuse for that one? Motivation? Shape? Green? In sure there will be one.

I know everyone is beatable. It seems others don't in regards to Lewis despite the fact he's been knocked out twice and struggled plenty of times.

[Capaedia]

Thread needs more Ray Mercer.


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[Dirk Diggler UK]

He first fight, yes.

What about the second fight?

The second fight could have gone either way and thhst was against a well passed prime Holyfield.

Further conformation of how beatable Lewis is.

Really?? I don't remember that fight being anywhere near one that could have gone either way. It was closer than the first and Holyfield did better but that's about it. I had it 8-4 or 7-5 at a stretch.

[IronDanHamza]

Really?? I don't remember that fight being anywhere near one that could have gone either way. It was closer than the first and Holyfield did better but that's about it. I had it 8-4 or 7-5 at a stretch.

Absolutely. I scored it for Holyfield actually.

Plenty had Holyfield winning. More had Lewis winning and I can see that and the decision was fine but it certainly could have gone to Holyfield and it wouldn't have been a robbery.

[IronDanHamza]

Thread needs more Ray Mercer.


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How could I forget Ray Mercer?!?!

Yet ANOTHER fight he's struggled in. And quite badly infact.

So, Lewis is "unbeatable" and "in his prime (or in shape)" would beat everyone 10 times out of 10, he'd destroy Ali, Louis, Foreman, Fraizer, etc 10 times out of 10 without breaking a sweat

But

Got knocked out by McCall and Rahman, struggled with Mercer, struggled with Bruno, had a close fight with a well passed prime Holyfield and somehow every time there's a nice convienient excuse for why this happened. Maybe it's because he's not as good as people think?

[SBleeder]

The greatest of all time in any weight division does NOT get knocked out cold twice in their prime ,you just cant have the best ever and KOed in their prime in the same sentence , its an oxymoron .

Lewis just temporarily left his prime against Rahman and McCall.