Educate me on the Klitchko Brothers. What Hall of Famers have they beat?

[Simurgh]

people are focusing way too much on wlad's chin. it's not a weak chin, not great either. wlad took many good shots by big punchers and was perfectly alright - haye, ibragimov, chagaev, wach on peds, tt.. saying it's c class chin is laughable.

also he didn't have a prob with stamina since that weird brewster fight. if anyone doubts wlad's stamina re-watch first peter fight.

resume and skill wise wlad is top10 atg. h2h wlad beats the most atg.

[bravestone]

people are focusing way too much on wlad's chin. it's not a weak chin, not great either. wlad took many good shots by big punchers and was perfectly alright - haye, ibragimov, chagaev, wach on peds, tt.. saying it's c class chin is laughable.

also he didn't have a prob with stamina since that weird brewster fight. if anyone doubts wlad's stamina re-watch first peter fight.

resume and skill wise wlad is top10 atg. h2h wlad beats the most atg.

I have Wlad over Vitali

[Sugar Adam Ali]

I have Wlad over Vitali

Wlad got a better resume

but one-on-one

Big brother always whips lil bros butt!!!

[bravestone]

what>> no??

[Mr. Fantastic]

That has nothing to do with what those fighters do outside of against Wlad and Vitali. That is a very bad excuse why Wlad and Vitali don't fight HOF fighters.

No it's a good excuse. If Haye the so called "big" threat and "savior" to the HW division would of beaten Wlad, mofos would be claiming he's a HOF cause he beat Wlad. You have two guys dominating at double the ratio. If it was just Wlad it would give more people that time to shine so to say.

The guys at lower weights fight more HOF boxers because they have that luxury of climbing more divisions and having those guys develop into something.

[Weebler I]

if they werent brothers they would fight each other in the biggest heavy fight of this era...

There in no bigger fight in this era of heavy's then wlad-vitali

but they are brothers so they wont fight
if ali-frazier or bowe-holyfield were brothers and never fought their legacy would be diminished....

Better way to explain it is if vitali had stayed retired, wlad would have beaten all the guys that vitali has since his return, but there is no money is arreola vs wlad cuz vitali already beat him down, haye vs vitali wont be as huge because wlad already beat him down, etc
it does hurt their legacies alittle because they will never fight, they have been splitting the divsion between the 2. A

But there is money in fighting Pianeta, Mormeck or Wach?

And between the 2 of them they have destroyed everyone, stiverne and povetkin are next....
Do you understand now how this affects their careers when it comes to hall of fame, and legacy

They're two different people, you can't just put their record's together any more than you can put Holyfield and Tyson's record together.

[Mr Randy Watson]

The thing with the klitchkos is that everybody always defends them saying that they dominate in a weak era. If you're going to use that excuse then they should have been perfect in doing so. Sadly, they weren't.

Vitali lost to an old fat lewis while Wlad was getting koed by non-HOFers. Its true, they have no contemporaries. But they also have losses. How could this be? They are without a doubt good HOFers and should be retire with GREAT respectable legacies. But in a division with history as rich as the heavyweight division, they are not ATG.

Guys like RJJ, Floyd, and sweat pea, were so great that they dominated during their best years(If sweat pea took an L it was questionable up until he fought trinidad). These guys went through multiple divisions which were ALL better than today's heavyweight division. Hell, even RJJ beat a heavyweight champ. They did all of this without taking an L. They left few questions about their greatness.

When a guy like Lamon Brewster stops you, your chances against golden era heavies drastically go down. Struggling with Sam Peter and getting your clock cleaned by Cory Sanders doesn't put confidence in me to pit you up against the greats of the heavyweight division. Not discrediting Sam Peter and Cory Sanders(RIP), but when you call a Klitchko an ATG you have to evaluate their competition and who competed more than these guys? Peter and Sanders Do not pose greater problems than "insert any great heavyweight name here".

Bottom line is, the heavyweight world is theirs in the present day. But they can not be considered top 10 ATGs and they have not, and will not beat any legit HEAVYWEIGHT HOFers.

[Simurgh]

The thing with the klitchkos is that everybody always defends them saying that they dominate in a weak era. If you're going to use that excuse then they should have been perfect in doing so. Sadly, they weren't.

Vitali lost to an old fat lewis while Wlad was getting koed by non-HOFers. Its true, they have no contemporaries. But they also have losses. How could this be? They are without a doubt good HOFers and should be retire with GREAT respectable legacies. But in a division with history as rich as the heavyweight division, they are not ATG.

Guys like RJJ, Floyd, and sweat pea, were so great that they dominated during their best years(If sweat pea took an L it was questionable up until he fought trinidad). These guys went through multiple divisions which were ALL better than today's heavyweight division. Hell, even RJJ beat a heavyweight champ. They did all of this without taking an L. They left few questions about their greatness.

When a guy like Lamon Brewster stops you, your chances against golden era heavies drastically go down. Struggling with Sam Peter and getting your clock cleaned by Cory Sanders doesn't put confidence in me to pit you up against the greats of the heavyweight division. Not discrediting Sam Peter and Cory Sanders(RIP), but when you call a Klitchko an ATG you have to evaluate their competition and who competed more than these guys? Peter and Sanders Do not pose greater problems than "insert any great heavyweight name here".

Bottom line is, the heavyweight world is theirs in the present day. But they can not be considered top 10 ATGs and they have not, and will not beat any legit HEAVYWEIGHT HOFers.

what about if you are KOed cold by rahman and oliver, or if you are destroyed by douglas and danny williams, or easily beaten by ruiz and larry donald...?

I assume lennox, tyson and holyfield are not ATGs because those listed above Do not pose greater problems than "insert any great heavyweight name here".


yeah right...

[vacon04]

what about if you are KOed cold by rahman and oliver, or if you are destroyed by douglas and danny williams, or easily beaten by ruiz and larry donald...?

I assume lennox, tyson and holyfield are not ATGs because those listed above Do not pose greater problems than "insert any great heavyweight name here".


yeah right...

Completely agree with this one. Just because you lose doesn't mean you're not going to be a hall of famer.

Gatti is in the hall of fame and lost 9 times.

Lewis was knocked out vs Rahman and also lost vs McCall.

Tyson was beaten by a 42-1 underdog called Buster Douglas.

[Mr Randy Watson]

what about if you are KOed cold by rahman and oliver, or if you are destroyed by douglas and danny williams, or easily beaten by ruiz and larry donald...?

I assume lennox, tyson and holyfield are not ATGs because those listed above Do not pose greater problems than "insert any great heavyweight name here".


yeah right...

lewis avenged both. Beat all the comp. out there.

holyfield earned his spot because he fought everone much. greater comp than the klits put together.

tyson destroyed everyone he fought until douglas. We all know he wasnt the same after he lost cus.