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    #11
    It's amazing how many people are overthinking this fight.

    Nacho is right about one thing: to win, Canelo will need to throw lots of combinations. Hitting Floyd clean with a good shot is hard even when his back is to the ropes, so Canelo shouldn't come into the fight expecting to land anywhere near 40-50% of his power shots as he has done in past fights. He also shouldn't expect one punch to change the fight. Canelo has good punching power, but he's not a devastating one-punch knockout artist and Floyd has a good chin. If Canelo wants to get to Floyd, take away his legs and set up a KO, he's going to have to maintain constant pressure from round 1 and throw a lot of punches, especially to Floyd's body.

    The question: what evidence is there that Canelo can pull this off? In the Trout fight, Canelo averaged just ~35 total punches per round. As for the jab, he threw less than 20 jabs in 8 of the 12 rounds. Canelo floored Trout in the 7th, but despite his low punch output, he was already visibly winded by the 6th and found himself unable to follow up on the knockdown. Canelo may have won the Trout fight because Trout wasn't able to land many effective punches of his own, but it was hardly a "spectacular" display by an "offensive" fighter by any stretch of the imagination.

    If the key to Canelo defeating Mayweather is an aggressive, sustained offense, there's little evidence that Canelo has the style or stamina to give Floyd a run for his money. In fact, a fighter with a history of being able to maintain a high punch output for 12 rounds - Robert Guerrero - had a much better capacity to fight the type of fight needed to beat Mayweather. And we saw what how easily Floyd took away all of Guerrero's weapons and neutralized the bully strategy Guerrero wanted to use.

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      #12
      Originally posted by Jack Napier View Post
      no, he doesn't
      he's slow, lacks stamina, and fights in bursts
      he's not consistent or fast enough to keep Floyd under control
      his power is overrated too, he wouldn't KO Floyd with 1 big shot
      Floyd's movement will tire him out within 8 rds
      Alvarez gets dominated and possibly stopped late
      if Floyd doesn't turn old, Alvarez is fucked
      How do u feel the fight would turn out IF, again IF, Canelo's cardio improves to an elite level by fight night?

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        #13
        Originally posted by Welter_Skelter View Post
        Around we go..

        Mayweather has clearly established that the come forward/boxer/puncher is not the style that can beat him.
        How many more of these type of guys does FM need to beat before people get it?
        It's another cherry pick.

        Let's look at a few guys who actually troubled Floyd.. Even if just for a few rounds.

        Judah
        Mosley
        Burton (Agustus)

        Not boxer/punchers.. But rather, quick handed..Light on their feet.. Finesse style fighters.
        Guys with similar attributes to Floyd's.

        Judah couldn't match Floyd for ring intelligence. It's fun to think about a Judah with more emotional control and higher ring savvy.

        Mosley was too old.. Mosley at 135 would have given Floyd his toughest ever fight.

        Burton.. Is well.. Burton. Never had a chance.

        Canelo has a punchers chance.. If he can do what Castillo and Cotto did but only actually hurt Floyd.. Then maybe we have a fight..
        Otherwise Floyd will cruise like he always does against these kinds of guys.
        Mosley and Judah are boxer-punchers. Mosley was definitely not light on his feet in 2010. Judah did well, the right jab was bugging Mayweather definitely.

        It'll take another Castillo/Delahoya type to give Floyd that trouble again. If only we had a Time machine and could bring back Duran.

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          #14
          Canelo should follow the Castillo plan, they have very similar movement which they bend side to side using their waists. Canelo needs to work on his stamina, since his movement will be key.

          Also hes undefeated and young and I do believe he is stubborn and wont let the bright lights change him like it did Ortiz.

          I still have Floyd winning but the fight should be very competetive

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            #15
            Originally posted by Infamous View Post
            How do u feel the fight would turn out IF, again IF, Canelo's cardio improves to an elite level by fight night?
            You can improve your cardio significantly in 4 months, but Canelo isn't going to come in with the conditioning of an endurance athlete by September. He simply doesn't have the body for it (it appears he's naturally stocky/stout), and even if you assume that Canelo can cut to 152 without draining himself too much, the human body is not designed for 15-20 pound weight fluctuations in a short period of time. Even though you have fighters doing it and looking great physically, these weight fluctuations are simply not conducive to proper conditioning.

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              #16
              the reason that MW agreed to fight him is that Alvarez has not looked so great in his most recent fights -- mediocre defense, less effective aggression etc. -- unless Alvarez significantly improves in these areas, MW's unbeaten record should remain intact

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                #17
                He MAY have the tools BUT they will be nullified. Easily.


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                  #18
                  Originally posted by Jack Napier View Post
                  no, he doesn't
                  he's slow, lacks stamina, and fights in bursts
                  he's not consistent or fast enough to keep Floyd under control

                  his power is overrated too, he wouldn't KO Floyd with 1 big shot
                  Floyd's movement will tire him out within 8 rds
                  Alvarez gets dominated and possibly stopped late
                  if Floyd doesn't turn old, Alvarez is fucked
                  ^^^^^^^^^^

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by apocalypto View Post
                    Glad to see nacho supporting canelo and not being a btch like marquez. But yeah canelo needs to let his hands go if he wants to beat mayweather. He has some great combos when he decides to throw them but his stamina is sht. He is also a great body puncher which will help him againts mayweather
                    i guess if you are not extremely bias towards your countryman than you are a btch

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                      #20
                      Canelo has that glass mandible but Floyd won't be the one to stop him. He will get dominated tho.

                      Once he loses to Floyd and goes begging for a title shot that's when he will get stopped.


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