Is this of any significance for Manny's legacy

[richardt]

Pac owed it to himself to compete in the biggest fight in history for the biggest prize of his career , a PEDS test is nothing to run away from , the price for the prize was nothing and to walk away is PURE DUCK !

Guess you were in deep freeze when Pac agreed to all WADA and USADA for the Mayweather fight??????? DO you need links????????

[richardt]

I see your point but I think you understate his position in the sport by comparing him to other champions.

His legacy will never be tarnished by PEDS accusations for one simple reason, he agreed to FULL WADA and USADA testing and that is the reason why Floyd called him to "negotiate". And Floyd has done no better than Pac untill he subjects himself to 365 testing because anyone can cycle off PEDS. Random testing is not perfect so if Floyd wants to clean up the sport, he needs to go through year-around testing. Both guys put up obstacles but the shroud of issues that Mayweather and Pac wen't through, makes the PEDS part look small when that has been overshadowed by the fact that both are Prima Donna's. History when people look back will show that random testing in the old days of Pac and Floyd were filled with too many holes. Random testing will be looked at as a testing format that could be breached by experts who can get designed PEDS that are undetectable. Advancements in the years 2014-2020 will show that back in the day, Conte and Heredia could get past mere random testing and the whole Pac/Mayweather thing will be seen as not even a Genesis for the PED's accuracy and improvements for the years to come.

[Revention]

it gave him a chance to be even greater. But he didn't take it, just like Floyd didnt.

[The Big Dunn]

So why didn't he ever do random drug testing for any of his fights?

I read this thread and loved how manny's most ardent supporters dodged this question. Does any reasonable, objective fan actually believe he would agree to floyd's testing request but never have testing in any of his fights.

All manny said was "there are no issues with testing" and his fans run with that. Thats the same as yes I accepted testing. They also try to forget manny tried to negotiate a cutoff. Why does one nedd to know the cutoff if they accepted "random" testing?

They know in their hearts, even if they believe manny is clean, that his never testing and his "i'm afraid of needles" defense were embarassing.

[junior gong]

I read this thread and loved how manny's most ardent supporters dodged this question. Does any reasonable, objective fan actually believe he would agree to floyd's testing request but never have testing in any of his fights.

All manny said was "there are no issues with testing" and his fans run with that. Thats the same as yes I accepted testing. They also try to forget manny tried to negotiate a cutoff. Why does one nedd to know the cutoff if they accepted "random" testing?

They know in their hearts, even if they believe manny is clean, that his never testing and his "i'm afraid of needles" defense were embarassing.

Just a bunch of wishful thinking there, fluffkin. This has been done a million times and the answer always comes back no except for floyd fluffers, and lets face it, they're a joke anyway, just like all fanboys....but worse, the worst of all fangroups.

[DeadLikeMe]

Just look at the conspiracy theory idiocy the tards have to buy into to maintain their position...that alone settles the debate to any rational person. The sad thing is that they literally have to believe it, otherwise it means their icon ran away from the biggest fight of his life over better drug testing. They're the boxing fan equivalent of young earth creationists more or less.

[Evol]

I read this thread and loved how manny's most ardent supporters dodged this question. Does any reasonable, objective fan actually believe he would agree to floyd's testing request but never have testing in any of his fights.

All manny said was "there are no issues with testing" and his fans run with that. Thats the same as yes I accepted testing. They also try to forget manny tried to negotiate a cutoff. Why does one nedd to know the cutoff if they accepted "random" testing?

They know in their hearts, even if they believe manny is clean, that his never testing and his "i'm afraid of needles" defense were embarassing.

I already responded to him, my reply was PAC wasn't the one to enforce ost on him and his opponent. He only now agreed to go thru with it to get the Floyd fight signed. He is not fighting Floyd so why should he enforce ost for his next fights and any of his up coming fights??? And manny never said he was afraid of needles, that came from arums mouth so don't try to make it seem like Manny said it, desperate much? lol

[The Big Dunn]

Just a bunch of wishful thinking there, fluffkin. This has been done a million times and the answer always comes back no except for floyd fluffers, and lets face it, they're a joke anyway, just like all fanboys....but worse, the worst of all fangroups.

calling me or other floyd fans your usual cadre of names changes nothing. Manny only truly talked about testing after he got KTFO by JMM.

unfortunately for manny fans, he wont always be linked with floyd. over the last year, with the realization fight wont happen, manny stands by himself. when you hold him under the same microscope you hold floyd, things look clearer.

manny was just as responsible as floyd for the fight not happening. as far as ped's, he remains the only superstar that had no random testing in any of his fights during the steroid era in boxing.

and now he runs to china where there is no testing to recapture the momentum lost when he got ktfo.

[Evol]

Dunn, if there's still issues with ost regarding the pacman then why did Floyd offer a flat purse for PAC then if ost was still a problem?? Wouldn't make any sense for Floyd to offer PAC a flat purse if PAC didnt agree to ost yet lol. Confused much??

[deejd]

I already responded to him, my reply was PAC wasn't the one to enforce ost on him and his opponent. He only now agreed to go thru with it to get the Floyd fight signed.

So, has pac ever actually done random drug testing?