Comments Thread For: Cotto Would Not Rule Out Facing Sergio Martinez

[BafanaBafana]

Yeah cry me a river. At best Sergio is a legit titlist in 2 division. He got promoted to full title at 154, but never fought once as full champ, not 1 defense. Title won vacant AND interim, vs fringe Bunema. But if you're a fanboy, you not only think that's a legit championship reign, you give him credit for 147 where he's done 0 of note.

Credit? You must have low reading comprehension... I'm not arguing for him to get credit for what he did at 147, when did I say that?

My argument is that Sergio fought at 147 for years and 160 is in fact his third division moving up. That's 3 divisions he moved up in the span of a roughly decade after debuting at the age of 23 (7 years older than Pac). He has peaked at 160 (in terms of size) and at 38 it would be unwise and unnecessary for him to move up to 168.
Sergio's resume at 154 includes: Richard Williams for the IBO title in Britain (where he had to move up in weight), a rematch where he KO'd R. Williams, a WBC eliminator against Saul Roman (then a top contender) who he KO'd in 4, a stoppage win over Bunema, and a should be stoppage win over Cintron; he then was promoted to the full WBC title after Vernon Forrest ducked him for years. He ended 2009 being ranked as the #1 fighter at 154.

[SlySlickSmooth]

Cotto would bring a touger fight than Chavez Jr. did. Although I'm not sure how much Cotto still has left in the tank.

[BafanaBafana]

Cotto would bring a touger fight than Chavez Jr. did. Although I'm not sure how much Cotto still has left in the tank.

How exactly would Cotto manage to last 12 rounds with Martinez? Don't encourage him, he needs to stay at 147-154 and maybe challenge Ishe Smith.

[thatdudespits]

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Originally Posted by SlySlickSmooth

Cotto would bring a touger fight than Chavez Jr. did. Although I'm not sure how much Cotto still has left in the tank.

How exactly would Cotto manage to last 12 rounds with Martinez? Don't encourage him, he needs to stay at 147-154 and maybe challenge Ishe Smith.

he would last 12 by....

being Miguel Cotto

Not throwing 26 punches per round

Not walking into punches

Not waiting

Not chasing

Cutting off the ring like a boss

much better fight than most of you realize...
Fight with your hands down vs Miguel Cotto...see how that goes.



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[Jloro]

he would last 12 by....

being Miguel Cotto

Not throwing 26 punches per round

Not walking into punches

Not waiting

Not chasing

Cutting off the ring like a boss

much better fight than most of you realize...
Fight with your hands down vs Miguel Cotto...see how that goes.



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Well it would probably end in a brutal KO. With Cotto on the canvas. Especially if he tries to go after Martinez

[HeroBando]

Credit? You must have low reading comprehension... I'm not arguing for him to get credit for what he did at 147, when did I say that?

My argument is that Sergio fought at 147 for years and 160 is in fact his third division moving up. That's 3 divisions he moved up in the span of a roughly decade after debuting at the age of 23 (7 years older than Pac). He has peaked at 160 (in terms of size) and at 38 it would be unwise and unnecessary for him to move up to 168.
Sergio's resume at 154 includes: Richard Williams for the IBO title in Britain (where he had to move up in weight), a rematch where he KO'd R. Williams, a WBC eliminator against Saul Roman (then a top contender) who he KO'd in 4, a stoppage win over Bunema, and a should be stoppage win over Cintron; he then was promoted to the full WBC title after Vernon Forrest ducked him for years. He ended 2009 being ranked as the #1 fighter at 154.

He was not a world class fighter at 147, who cares if he started there. So his range as a world class fighter is 6lbs. Not bad, but GTFO with the Pac comparisons.

And you just tried boosting his resume by bigging up Richard Williams, Saul Roman, Cintron and Bunema, and putting Pac in the same paragraph. That's enough of that.

[BafanaBafana]

He was not a world class fighter at 147, who cares if he started there. So his range as a world class fighter is 6lbs. Not bad, but GTFO with the Pac comparisons.

And you just tried boosting his resume by bigging up Richard Williams, Saul Roman, Cintron and Bunema, and putting Pac in the same paragraph. That's enough of that.

All those guys were contenders at the time Martinez fought them. I only mentioned Pac to illustrate that Pac starting at 16 and moving up 6 divisions is not the same as a debuting 23 year old man moving up 3 divisions from 147 to 154 to 160 (and then hypothetically 168). Since Pac was 25 he's moved from 130 to 147 which is 17 pounds and he weighed roughly 145-150 on fight night when he fought at 130, Martinez meanwhile never had to move up because he grew out of his weight class, but because he lacked opponents willing to fight him, which is why he hit the ceiling. My point is that you can't hold Martinez to the same standard you do Pacquiao because their situations are/were different. I'm not arguing Martinez's resume is better; don't put words in my mouth to try to prove something (whatever that may be).

[HeroBando]

All those guys were contenders at the time Martinez fought them. I only mentioned Pac to illustrate that Pac starting at 16 and moving up 6 divisions is not the same as a debuting 23 year old man moving up 3 divisions from 147 to 154 to 160 (and then hypothetically 168). Since Pac was 25 he's moved from 130 to 147 which is 17 pounds and he weighed roughly 145-150 on fight night when he fought at 130, Martinez meanwhile never had to move up because he grew out of his weight class, but because he lacked opponents willing to fight him, which is why he hit the ceiling. My point is that you can't hold Martinez to the same standard you do Pacquiao because their situations are/were different. I'm not arguing Martinez's resume is better; don't put words in my mouth to try to prove something (whatever that may be).

There's a huge disparity in accomplishment. When you're facing world class comp in your 7th weight, the same adjustments that worked vs fringe contender Barker and Macklin in your second probably will not fly. I mean, when's the last time Pac fought a guy never ranked top 10 in any division, much less had to make adjustments vs him?

[BafanaBafana]

There's a huge disparity in accomplishment. When you're facing world class comp in your 7th weight, the same adjustments that worked vs fringe contender Barker and Macklin in your second probably will not fly. I mean, when's the last time Pac fought a guy never ranked top 10 in any division, much less had to make adjustments vs him?

Again, whether or not Martinez won a title at 147 is irrelevant, Martinez fought there for years and thus 160 is really Martinez's 3rd division (1+2=3 get it?).

Pacquiao's "WORLD CLASS" competition at 140-50:

DLH: Was coming off a loss and drained down from 154 w/ a fight night weight limit; weighed less than Pac on fight night
Hatton: Had just been brutally KO'd in his last fight
Cotto: Had been KO'd by Margarito the year prior and was drained by a catchweight (Pac's team knew Cotto had trouble making weight at that point)
Clottey: Was coming off a loss to Miguel Cotto
Margarito: Had been brutally KO'd by Mosley and suspended for a year
Mosley: Was arguably coming off two losses
Marquez: Almost 40 years old moving up from 135; Pac was expected to KO him

Most of these guys were coming off devastating losses...

[HeroBando]

Again, whether or not Martinez won a title at 147 is irrelevant, Martinez fought there for years and thus 160 is really Martinez's 3rd division (1+2=3 get it?).

Pacquiao's "WORLD CLASS" competition at 140-50:

DLH: Was coming off a loss and drained down from 154 w/ a fight night weight limit; weighed less than Pac on fight night
Hatton: Had just been brutally KO'd in his last fight
Cotto: Had been KO'd by Margarito the year prior and was drained by a catchweight (Pac's team knew Cotto had trouble making weight at that point)
Clottey: Was coming off a loss to Miguel Cotto
Margarito: Had been brutally KO'd by Mosley and suspended for a year
Mosley: Was arguably coming off two losses
Marquez: Almost 40 years old moving up from 135; Pac was expected to KO him

Most of these guys were coming off devastating losses...

World class = top 3 Cotto, champ Hatton, top 5 Clottey, p4p Bradley, p4p JMM. Even Mosley was Ring top 5, and that's his worst opponent since David Diaz. Even freaking David Diaz was a top 5 beltholder, which is more than Barker, Macklin, Murray can say. When these guys retire, I wonder if they'll have a single belt between them.