Comments Thread For: Naazim Discusses Garcia vs. Judah, Garcia vs. Matthysse

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You did say that and I've been checking your posts carefully.

You've been saying for the last week or so that Mathysse doesn't have that one "marquee" win and that Garcia's win over Khan *****s everything Mathysse has done.

What does Khan and Morales have to do with how a fight between Garcia and Mathysse would play out?

What does a SD loss to Zab Judah have to do with how a fight between Garcia and Mathysse would play out?

Do I have to break down for you how Judah/Alexander are completely different types of fighters than Garcia?

You then ask what has Mathysse done?

32 fights with 30 KO's. If I had to compare how I think a potential fight between Garcia-Mathysse would play out based off who Mathysse fought, I would use the Soto fight as a reference. Off the top of my head, I think they're rather similar. Sure Soto was moving up in weight, but I think he's more than capable of beating a lot of 140 lbers and Lucas's win over him is extremely down graded.

That's the problem. You keep assuming. How can you say Soto is more than capable of beating all of the other 140LB's when he didn't even have a fight there prior to moving up and fighting Matthysse? Doesn't make sense and shows your favoritism for this fighter. Soto wasn't even a 140 fighter. Garcia is a solid 140LB with a lil pop and experience at that weight, so it would be impossible to call an out come of a potential fight between Garcia/Matthysse because of the Soto win. Morales win is better than that simply because Morales fought there prior against guys already but yet you criticize the win Garcia got over Morales but boost up Matthysse beating Soto who has never fought there prior? Doesn't add up or make sense. The only thing you could say is you feel like Matthysse will win because of whatever reason. That's the most rational opinion. I feel like Garcia will win because of his timing, counter punching, being able to adjust and the left hook. But the fight has to happen.

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What does a SD loss to Zab Judah have to do with how a fight between Garcia and Mathysse would play out?

Do I have to break down for you how Judah/Alexander are completely different types of fighters than Garcia?

You then ask what has Mathysse done?

Because Zab Judah is done at this point. He may win against certain fighters but against fighters above his caliber, it will never go his way and that has been Zab's career prior specifically when he stepped up to WW. Just the fact Matthysse had Judah hurt and let him off the hook shows he still needs to develop. I know styles make fights but Khan totally out classed Zab even before the so called low blow Zab was complaining about. Zab was getting beat and it wasn't close.

Judah/Alexander are different styles than Garcia but are they better than Garcia who is 24 and has KO power? When was the last time Alexander KO'd anyone? Dude looks horrible in his fights and he arguably lost the fights he won. Kotelnik comes to mind. Zab and Alexander are not that good.

I asked what has Matthysse done because what has he done at 140? He couldn't get the win on Zab or Alexander. What other top 140 guy has he beaten to suggest he can beat a top 140LB like Garcia? If you feel like he has the style to beat Garcia then that's totally fine with me but he is not a finisher and that is going to hurt his career. In my opinion he is on the Luis Collazo path. Good enough but not good enough to win the big fights clear enough against legit competition to get the W. You compared Soto to Garcia at 140 when Soto hasn't fought there before Matthysse and you have the nerve to say I'm bugging and not understanding the game? Please.

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Because Zab Judah is done at this point. He may win against certain fighters but against fighters above his caliber, it will never go his way and that has been Zab's career prior specifically when he stepped up to WW. Just the fact Matthysse had Judah hurt and let him off the hook shows he still needs to develop. I know styles make fights but Khan totally out classed Zab even before the so called low blow Zab was complaining about. Zab was getting beat and it wasn't close.

Judah/Alexander are different styles than Garcia but are they better than Garcia who is 24 and has KO power? When was the last time Alexander KO'd anyone? Dude looks horrible in his fights and he arguably lost the fights he won. Kotelnik comes to mind. Zab and Alexander are not that good.

I asked what has Matthysse done because what has he done at 140? He couldn't get the win on Zab or Alexander. What other top 140 guy has he beaten to suggest he can beat a top 140LB like Garcia? If you feel like he has the style to beat Garcia then that's totally fine with me but he is not a finisher and that is going to hurt his career. In my opinion he is on the Luis Collazo path. Good enough but not good enough to win the big fights clear enough against legit competition to get the W. You compared Soto to Garcia at 140 when Soto hasn't fought there before Matthysse and you have the nerve to say I'm bugging and not understanding the game? Please.

You say Mathysse isn't a finisher, but out of 32 fights only two have seen the judges. 32 wins with 30 KO's, how is he not a finisher? Here we go again, because Judah and Alexander made it to see the judges right.

What other top 140 lber has he beaten??? I guess you didn't know that Olusegun was the number 1 contender for years did you? Matter of fact, Team Garcia decided to fight Morales instead of Olusegun after Olusegun called him out face to face.

Then you discredit Alexander when he's never even been close to being stopped throughout his career while Khan was stopped twice before Garcia.

Regarding Soto, yes that was a very solid reason. I put Soto in the same boat as Rios. Just like I knew Rios would defeat Alvarado when moving up in weight, "regardless" of the fact that he was moving up in weight and never fought at 140.

I can see it now, had Alvarado won, you would've discredited Alvarado's win with "what has Rios done at 140".


Oh yeah and saying "I know styles make fights, but" doesn't cut it. How can you acknowledge styles make fights then go on to continue to bring up the Judah/Alexander fights even though Garcia has a completely different style?

That's like me saying Garcia beat Holt by SD so he can't beat Mathysse lol No, Holt and Mathysse also have two different styles so I would never make that type of comparison like you're trying to make.

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You say Mathysse isn't a finisher, but out of 32 fights only two have seen the judges. 32 wins with 30 KO's, how is he not a finisher? Here we go again, because Judah and Alexander made it to see the judges right.

Then you discredit Alexander when he's never even been close to being stopped throughout his career while Khan was stopped twice before Garcia.

Regarding Soto, yes that was a very solid reason. I put Soto in the same boat as Rios. Just like I knew Rios would defeat Alvarado when moving up in weight, "regardless" of the fact that he was moving up in weight.

I can see it now, had Alvarado won, you would've discredited Alvarado's win with "what has Rios done at 140". .

You will never fess up. You protect your opinions and beliefs like it is fact. Soto is not as good at 140 as Garcia so just admit it. Dude got 8 loses on his resume. He was good at 135 but 140 untested. Damn you are stubborn. Lets be real..... Alexander is not that good. Just look at his last fight, Kotelnik and Bradley. Matthysse is a finisher against opponents that are not resilient. Zab is not good at this point and hasn't been against anyone solid in a long time but he could not finish him. This is a fair assessment I'm making. Khan was stopped twice but he was winning with exception to Peterson but was top of the division.

Khan has been stopped once in his pro career and once in the amateurs so get it right. As a pro he got stopped once. Khan beat Zab up and Matthysse couldn't finish him. That's more of a measuring stick than anything. Weak chinned Khan who's been stopped twice (once in amateurs and once in pros) beat Zab up effortlessly but this so called beast Matthysse with 30 KO's could not finish Zab even though he had him hurt. You make so many excuses and find ways to make what you say seem valid but it is not even right and exact.

Rios win over Alvarado was a solid win and would have been good if it were the other way. I just don't feel like Rios is that good because prior he couldn't make weight and stunk the place up. He has a chin and a punch but so did a lot of others and when they went against someone that could neutralize that, then they had no answers. Alvarado was a better win for Rios than Soto for Matthysse because Alvarado was a 140 fighter and Rios was moving up, while Soto was moving up and Matthysse was comfortable there.

Good win but not better than anything Garcia did at 140 and doesn't say how a fight between Garcia/Matthysse would go considering Matthysse didn't dominate Judah/Alexander who were over the guys he fought prior. Garcia is better than Zab and Alexander in my opinion.

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You will never fess up. You protect your opinions and beliefs like it is fact. Soto is not as good at 140 as Garcia so just admit it. Dude got 8 loses on his resume. He was good at 135 but 140 untested. Damn you are stubborn. Lets be real..... Alexander is not that good. Just look at his last fight, Kotelnik and Bradley. Matthysse is a finisher against opponents that are not resilient. Zab is not good at this point and hasn't been against anyone solid in a long time but he could not finish him. This is a fair assessment I'm making. Khan was stopped twice but he was winning with exception to Peterson but was top of the division.

Khan has been stopped once in his pro career and once in the amateurs so get it right. As a pro he got stopped once. Khan beat Zab up and Matthysse couldn't finish him. That's more of a measuring stick than anything. Weak chinned Khan who's been stopped twice (once in amateurs and once in pros) beat Zab up effortlessly but this so called beast Matthysse with 30 KO's could not finish Zab even though he had him hurt. You make so many excuses and find ways to make what you say seem valid but it is not even right and exact.

Rios win over Alvarado was a solid win and would have been good if it were the other way. I just don't feel like Rios is that good because prior he couldn't make weight and stunk the place up. He has a chin and a punch but so did a lot of others and when they went against someone that could neutralize that, then they had no answers. Alvarado was a better win for Rios than Soto for Matthysse because Alvarado was a 140 fighter and Rios was moving up, while Soto was moving up and Matthysse was comfortable there.

Good win but not better than anything Garcia did at 140 and doesn't say how a fight between Garcia/Matthysse would go considering Matthysse didn't dominate Judah/Alexander who were over the guys he fought prior. Garcia is better than Zab and Alexander in my opinion.

LMAO I stopped reading there.

After weeks of telling you the same thing, you'll never understand it. And you call yourself an "INTELLIGENT" poster??????

Holy schit, I feel like I'm talking to Puga or somebody.

Styles make fights and fighters make fights and you're over here talking about Khan beat Judah and Mathysse loss to Judah, but Garcia beat Khan and that's some kind of measuring stick....

Man, we're done here.

Peace.

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LMAO I stopped reading there.

After weeks of telling you the same thing, you'll never understand it. And you call yourself an "INTELLIGENT" poster??????

Holy schit, I feel like I'm talking to Puga or somebody.

Styles make fights and fighters make fights and you're over here talking about Khan beat Judah and Mathysse loss to Judah, but Garcia beat Khan and that's some kind of measuring stick....

Man, we're done here.

Peace.

I didn't want to use this but you're a JACK ASS. You take everything I say and twist it to try and make it seem like I don't know what I'm talking about. Your boy Matthysse has not beaten anyone at 140 that's worth noting and that's my point. If Matthysse is such a dominate fighter, than how come he isn't dominate against lesser fighters that's already out like Zab Judah? That is a rational question but you will come on here and try to make me seem like an idiot but my reputation on here suggest other wise. you have been ducking and dodging questions and trying to make me seem like I don't know anything through our whole debates but for the other posters who read them will know who is the real one clueless. The only one you got cosigning you is Dominibox and he has been exposed as a Garcia hater. My point has an always been that Matthysse ain't beat no one at 140 that is even on Khan's level and that is true. Deal with it. I'm curious to hear what you have to say when Garcia smashes on Zab. Judah is so done that the mention of him getting big fights is like nails scratching a chalk board. Khan showed why Zab should not be fighting on a top level anymore but Matthysse gets in a close fight with him.

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I just hope Garcia-Lucas gets made so we can stop wondering who wins.....

no wondering right here....I already know Danny will bend Lukey over and take his....call it ****!!!....aint nobody in that division ***ing with Swift!!!...NOBODY!!!

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Exposed......

LMAO I stopped reading there.

After weeks of telling you the same thing, you'll never understand it. And you call yourself an "INTELLIGENT" poster??????

Holy schit, I feel like I'm talking to Puga or somebody.

Man, we're done here.

Peace.

Regarding Soto, yes that was a very solid reason. I put Soto in the same boat as Rios. Just like I knew Rios would defeat Alvarado when moving up in weight, "regardless" of the fact that he was moving up in weight and never fought at 140.

Soto has lost 8 times before moving up to 140 untested. You're comparison is off.

I think a potential fight between Garcia-Mathysse would play out based off who Mathysse fought, I would use the Soto fight as a reference. Off the top of my head, I think they're rather similar. Sure Soto was moving up in weight, but I think he's more than capable of beating a lot of 140 lbers

You give Soto too much credit considering he didn't even fight any other 140LBers before Matthysse. You have the nerve to say that I'm not respecting "styles make fights" but you're comparing and saying that a potential Garcia/Matthysse fight would play out like Soto/Matthysse? You are a joke and I just proved it.

My guess is because Garcia is a fellow Phillidelphia fighter, saying "no matter what happens, Garcia will be a problem", is a nice way of saying Garcia will go out fighting, but he's not confident Garcia wins that fight.

He is basically not sure of either and that's why he didn't make a pick but you made it seem like he said Matthysse would win. Obviously he didn't say that. He is not convinced that Matthysse would win either but you left that out. Naazim even said Garcia is a bit better skill wise but you forgot to mention this....

For the record, when Richardson said "No matter what happens, Garcia will be a problem for anyone", he's basically saying he feels Garcia puts up a good fight, but he's not convinced Garcia beats Mathysse. That's why he says "NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS", meaning if Mathysse busts dat ass, Garcia will go out fighting.

He didn't say Matthysse is a problem for anyone did he? He just said that Matthysse has more punch resistance than Khan.

He did if you know how to read in between the lines.

He said Garcia wouldn't have problems with Judah = Garcia will beat Judah.

When talking about Mathysse, he only said Garcia will be a "problem" for anyone lol In other words, that's a nice way of saying Garcia will put up a fight but he's not convinced Garcia will win.

Pretty simple stuff here.

You like to change everything around to make a point. Where did he say this at?

Another fighter who wants to fight Garcia in the future is the feared puncher Lucas Matthysse (32-2, 30KOs) of Argentina.

"Tough fight for both of them. I think Danny's boxing skills are little bit better than Matthysse. But, Mattyhsse is one of the few guys that Danny would face as a champion that might be able to take some of [his punches] too. I think he can take it better than [Amir] Khan or [Erik] Morales can, and he can give it back too. Danny is not going away quietly...no matter what happens. If you can get on the scale and make 140, and Danny gets on the scale and makes 140 - you got a problem. No matter who you are, you got a problem," Naazim said

Article Link - //krikya360.com/?m=show&o...#ixzz2AYGojHVV
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Where did he interpret this from Boxingscene? Look at all the idiotic crap this guy posts. He uses "I think", says Soto was a credible opponent at 140, compared him to Brandon Rios, said Garcia/Soto would be similar, changed up what Naazim was saying and what he meant, just to support his man Matthysse. You have flipped flopped, rearranged and changed the truth and wrote things down like "I think" or "My guess" and you have the nerve to call me out? You're pathetic trying to camouflage your personal agenda for a fighter.

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Don't really wanna see Danny whoop Zab but I already know that is coming up next. **** it. GB ain't in a rush to make Garcia vs Matthysse but that fight is bound to happen in 2013. Blee dat. Should be a goodie too.

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I'll answer that...Cuz there's no more argument that backs Garcia's record. Period. And when you make him look like a fool..He'll come with "I just schooled you" :wtf:

Here's another one slappling Rusty around.

I didn't realize how true this statement was until today.

You make RUSTler look like the dumbass he is and all he does is reply with "I just owned you or schooled you".

RUSTler is 1st place in the Biggest Loser competition. Just sayin.