Comments Thread For: Kellerman: Donaire Creeping up on Pacquiao's P4P Rank

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Creeping up to number 5?

[BetterCallSaul]

So agree that Pacquiao hasn't been dominate then..... right?
Bradley came to the post fight in a wheel chair. He had two feet that were basically smashed up but yet he went the distance with Pacquiao the so called greatest. Just for people to be discussing Donaire and Pacquiao fighting for a top spot shows where Manny ranks at now in the sport.

When did I ever say Pacquiao dominated Marquez?

The fact is that during the fight Bradley was moving fine. He probably used a wheelchair to make his 'win' look more legit considering he was dominated.

[ddangerous]

Ward, Donaire, Floyd, Pacquiao, and Martinez are in mine. Not sure (and don't care) what order although I honestly think Ward may be #1 P4P in the world right now. Bottom line is all five have been dominating for the past 3 or more years. And all five have some incredible gifts and different special attributes. Floyd, Pacquiao, and Martinez are all getting older though and probably will be out of the discussion by the end of 2013 or 2014.

[-Makunouchi-]

Who has Pacquiao fought that was considered the best? If this is how you see then Pacquiao should try and fight Mayweather because Floyd is considered the best while Pacquiao has dropped significantly being compared to Donaire who hasn't had half the career as Manny Pacquiao. Speaks in volumes. Think you would ever hear someone in the sport of boxing comparing Donaire and Mayweather for the same slot?

A kindergarten can answer your question!

Simple! It's impossible to compare a duck with a viking warrior who has no fears!

[HeroBando]

Nothing Donaire has done equals to Pavlik and Williams (in my opinion). He got the FOTY slot for them two so no matter what anyone says. Those were big wins. Plus he got KO of the year for the Williams fight.

It's a better streak than Donaire's, but not as good as Vic and Montiel put together. And Sergio got plenty of props for it. But that was 2 years ago, what has he done since?

[GRUSTLER]

It's a better streak than Donaire's, but not as good as Vic and Montiel put together. And Sergio got plenty of props for it. But that was 2 years ago, what has he done since?

Drop an undefeated fighter 5 times, who has never been dropped in his amateur and pro career by the name of Sergei Dzinziruk, get ducked by the only other champ in the division (Chavez Jr) and KO fighters in his division including out boxing Chavez Jr who was fighting at cruiser weight size and get his title back that he was stripped for. Funny how people say Paquiao is over Martinez when Pacquiao fought Margarito for Sergio's title that he was forced to vacate at 154. Manny didn't even want to fight him. Sergio is a great fighter but is slept on for sure. I can live with Ward (or Floyd) being at 1, Floyd Could be War), then Martinez. How is Donaire over Marquez when JMM has had a great career? How's Pacquiao over JMM when Manny can't even convincingly beat him?

[HeroBando]

drop an undefeated fighter 5 times, who has never been dropped in his amateur and pro career by the name of Sergei Dzinziruk, get ducked by the only other champ in the division (Chavez Jr) and KO fighters in his division including out boxing Chavez Jr who was fighting at cruiser weight size and get his title back that he was stripped for. Funny how people say Paquiao is over Martinez when Pacquiao fought Margarito for Sergio's title that he was forced to vacate at 154. Manny didn't even want to fight him. Sergio is a great fighter but is slept on for sure. I can live with Ward (or Floyd) being at 1, Floyd Could be War), then Martinez. How is Donaire over Marquez when JMM has had a great career? How's Pacquiao over JMM when Manny can't even convincingly beat him?

Dzinziruk had a thin resume to begin with, but worse, was coming off 2+ years since fighting the last live body a division below.Chavez was also a cruiser against featherfisted scrub Zbik, barely "won" without dropping him. Barker was a nobody, and Macklin an honest trier in the David Diaz mold. No other legit p4per has fought comp that bad lately. And no, Canelo doesn't count as legit.

Also, Sergio was not forced to vacate 154, he chose to move up for the PWill shot. Besides, it wasn't that legit of a belt: it was a vacant interim belt he won against Bunema, promoted after "drawing" Citron, then made 0 defenses of the full belt.

[GRUSTLER]

Dzinziruk had a thin resume to begin with, but worse, was coming off 2+ years since fighting the last live body a division below.Chavez was also a cruiser against featherfisted scrub Zbik, barely "won" without dropping him. Barker was a nobody, and Macklin an honest trier in the David Diaz mold. No other legit p4per has fought comp that bad lately. And no, Canelo doesn't count as legit.

Also, Sergio was not forced to vacate 154, he chose to move up for the PWill shot. Besides, it wasn't that legit of a belt: it was a vacant interim belt he won against Bunema, promoted after "drawing" Citron, then made 0 defenses of the full belt.

Dzinriruk was considered a good win for him in the sport of boxing and that cannot be debated. Chavez Jr held the title Martinez got stripped for and he was the only other recognized Middle Weight aside from Martinez himself. No matter how scrubby Chavez Jr was/is, he was the man to beat for Martinez to claim the top spot for sure. Barker was undefeated and was not considered a garbage fighter but rather not a big name. Wasn't Macklin that same guy that lost a controversial decision to Felix Sturm? Didn't he just KO Joachim Alcine in one round? But I bet you'll say that Alcine wasn't good either just to not give Martinez his due. You already know that the Cintron draw is controversial and should have been a KO win for Martinez.

[HeroBando]

Dzinriruk was considered a good win for him in the sport of boxing and that cannot be debated. Chavez Jr held the title Martinez got stripped for and he was the only other recognized Middle Weight aside from Martinez himself. No matter how scrubby Chavez Jr was/is, he was the man to beat for Martinez to claim the top spot for sure. Barker was undefeated and was not considered a garbage fighter but rather not a big name. Wasn't Macklin that same guy that lost a controversial decision to Felix Sturm? Didn't he just KO Joachim Alcine in one round? But I bet you'll say that Alcine wasn't good either just to not give Martinez his due. You already know that the Cintron draw is controversial and should have been a KO win for Martinez.

It doesn't matter that the likes on Barker are undefeated when they fought nobodies, and struggled against those non entitites. Same for KOing Alcine, like that's some accomplishment, Angulo and Santos done it already. Sure Macklin was robbed by Sturm, so was Gevor and Randy Griffin. Mathebula was robbed by Ring p4p top 10, unified 122 champ Caballero, a way better "scalp" than Sturm.

[GRUSTLER]

It doesn't matter that the likes on Barker are undefeated when they fought nobodies, and struggled against those non entitites. Same for KOing Alcine, like that's some accomplishment, Angulo and Santos done it already. Sure Macklin was robbed by Sturm, so was Gevor and Randy Griffin. Mathebula was robbed by Ring p4p top 10, unified 122 champ Caballero, a way better "scalp" than Sturm.

Ok, so show me all the world beaters Donaire opponents fought before losing to him.