How Great Was Sugar Ray Robinson?

[Bozo_no no]

So you're an Irish guy who knows tag a log & spends all his hours making gifs? What kind of a *** makes gifs all day? So now your insulting my Dad, looks like I'm really going to have to bring you down to Earth.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

I was born in Canada, of Irish decent. But it's not like that matters.

Only a bitter and jaded little kid goes ape **** asking someone their race, job, highschool etc, because he's frustrated he has nothing hurtfull to say.

Keep making things up, it sure stings.

Maybe it will change the fact you're on your 5th account because no one likes you.

[Void]

I'm not liked on an internet site. Really hurts my feelings. Keep up with those gifs cool kid.

[grayfist]

I would expect it the odd time in a thread about the Klitschkos or Tyson, and the like...but for the life of me, I'd never have thought that a thread about the great Sugar Ray Robinson would have turned into a friggin' flame war between posters.

Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! What has the world gone to! Ha! Ha! Ha!

[brooklynstreetz]

I neer saw Sugar Ray at welter but I have a collection of probably his best fights at middleweight and the guy is great I'm not gonna go into all that GOAT crapbut he was a great boxer.

[Yogi]

I wished this rumour would hurry up & go away, because contrary to popular belief, there IS in fact footage of Robinson from his Welterweight days.

As shown here;



It's only a short clip of about a minute and a half of Robinson defending his Welterweight title against Fusari, which is only a fraction of what's available of the fight from 1950...But still it's a glimpse of Robinson at Welterweight, and it at least proves that there is in fact footage of him at that weight.

[AintGottaClue]

they invented p4p for him, nuff said

[Yogi]

they invented p4p for him, nuff said

Nah, that's just another myth about Robinson, as I've actually read the "pound for pound" term/phrase used in contemporary fight reports from long before Robinson hit the scene.

[AintGottaClue]

Nah, that's just another myth about Robinson, as I've actually read the "pound for pound" term/phrase used in contemporary fight reports from long before Robinson hit the scene.

news to me then, still even if it wasnt then the term p4p can be best defined by him imo, guy was so fast and hit so hard, he'd throw **** like pitter pat fast but with KO power, not like sugar ray leonard or de la hoya at some points

[Yogi]

news to me then, still even if it wasnt then the term p4p can be best defined by him imo, guy was so fast and hit so hard, he'd throw **** like pitter pat fast but with KO power, not like sugar ray leonard or de la hoya at some points

I don't blame you for saying the term was originated for him because that myth has been repeated over and over again. But there's an article over at ******** boxing that claims, "pound for pound the best fighter in the world was not coined for Sugar Ray Robinson. It was first used by a sportswriter to describe the great lightweight Benny Leonard".

I've heard similiar claims giving credit to Leonard for being the first fighter called that, but whether that was true or not, the term was at least used in 1933 when Barney Ross & Tony Canzoneri squared off, as evident by the contemporary AP fight report from that fight;

"A disappointing crowd of 11,204 witnessed the bout. They expressed very definate disapproval of the verdict, but later cheered the home boy who had upset the fighter who had been characterized as the best in the world, pound for pound."

[AintGottaClue]

1933 is 55 years before my time ^^, bit a reach there, but sure if p4p wasnt made for SRR like i said, imo it is best defined by him