How is Pac still ranked P4P #1 on BS?

[whirlwind]

The Floydiots are trying so hard to put back Floyd as p4p no.1

Well, let us see what is Floyd has been done in the last 5 years compared to other fighters like Pac who fought 10 times in the same 5 years.

2012 - having a hard beating a past prume Cotto
2011- sucker punched the HOF Ortiz
2010 - almost knocked out by past prime Mosley
2009 - weight cheated a lightweight Marquez

4 lame fights and now a worthy p4p no. 1?

[Marvellous1]

Something else to consider..... Pacquiao is not number one in official rankings at welterweight. He hasn't beaten a top ranked welterweight since Cotto either. When taking titles at 147lbs and 154lbs, he's had to have weight stips to aid him. When Mayweather has moved up to challenge for titles, he's fought the champ on THEIR terms with no weight stipulations.

People keep mistakenly say Mayweather fought Mosley too late but wilfully ignore two things. Mosley is the one who ducked Mayweather (vacation/toothache... watch the Vargas post fight interview for proof). Manny's team wouldn't fihgt Mosley without a 142lbs catchweight and when he asked why he couldn't have the same deal as Skeletor De la Hoya, Roach candidly said "he's too good". Manny STILL refuses to fight the so-called "washed up" Cotto without a catch-weight, hence the Bradley fight happening in the first place.

Up to 2009, Manny was awesome. But his opponent choice and performances have gone against him somewhat since. As stated, you can't have him officially winning against Marquez when most pundits, writers and professionals had him losing... but it counts because of the judges. But he officially loses to Bradley because of the judges, when most of the pundits, writers and pundits had him winning... but it doesn't count.

You have to ask, what has to happen for Manny to lose the spot, if not being ranked number one in your division (official rankings, remember?), not beating any top fighters in your division in the last couple of years, not impressing in recent performances and actually losing your title isn't enough? All while your closest rival keeps winning, is the number one in your division and beat the number one in the division above.

*sidenote* You can't get disqualified for boxing when the referee clearly signals to do so, especially calling "time in".

[BKM-]

That makes no sense. I only recently checked boxingscenes rankings and to my surprise Pac is STILL number one. But how is that so if he arguably lost to a past prime light weight not even a year ago? Their reasoning is also incredibly warped, they say the Bradley fight should be seen as a win, which I agree with, but they also say the Marquez fight should be seen as a win, which I and most people disagree with.

The fact of the matter is Pacquiao has come off two lackluster performances, has lost his title, and hasn't beat a ranked champion in his weight class in several years. So he can not be number 1 p4p. I think Sergio Martinez has a better argument for number one slot at this point than Pac. But for me the number one spot still belongs to Floyd.

Pacquiao dominated the Bradley fight and looked quite good in it, just not superhuman. Against Marquez it was just another one of their very close fights where Pac, again, did not look superhuman and only Marquez these days can make him look very BAD at times.

So I don't see the problem here.

[Marvellous1]

How do you dominate a fight when you lose all the championship rounds? Only in Lampley's commentary was it a domination. Don't get me wrong, I think Pacquiao won but he didn't dominate.

It's not about Pac looking superhuman. It's about him unoffically losing one fight and ofificially losing another. Both fights against fighters from lower divisions and not top ranked welters. Another question. Has Pacquiao beaten the number one ranked welterweight?

[hugh grant]

For Floyd to be above Pac he needs to beat at least one opponent better than Pac, with no controversy, like bloating JMM up, not allowing JMM to acclimatise to the weight and not making weight himself.
He had a chance to shine against Cotto but didnt beat him better than Pac when Cotto was shop worn from Pac beating him. FLoyd has to show he is no1 and he just isnt doing it, not grasping it.
None of this beg borrowing and stealing credit for floyd on a tecnicality, like Floyd is some kind of charity case needing help - like he beat Hatton first, and DLH nonsesne, and he beat Cotto at cottos weight garbage? 154 is Floyds weight just as much as it is cottos.
And fight more often as well, as the more you fight the more likely you will have a bad performance or off night. People mostly try ignore Pacs dominant wins, and the off nights once is while is what people concentrate on.

[Marvellous1]

I get it.... When talking about respective performances against Marquez and Cotto, weight comes into it in Mayweather's shut out of marquez, but weight stips doesn't come into it in Pacquiao's demolition of Cotto.... and his refusal to fight said supposedly "shop worn" fighter without another weight stip?

Also, we have to consider Cotto's state after Pacquiao beating him, but we must not consider Cotto's state after Margarito beating him?

If Mayweather's weight is 154lbs, why is he the number one welterweight? If Pacquiao is the number welterweight, why does he have an official and unoffical loss to fighters from lower divisions? Fighting more often is the only decent argument against Mayweather not being ranked P4P number one. He should fight more often. But fighting more often against opponents not at the top of your division, being lacklustre 9or underestimating your opponent, whatever you want to call it) and even losing, isn't a decent argument to be ranked number one.

[Chopper417]

For Floyd to be above Pac he needs to beat at least one opponent better than Pac, with no controversy, like bloating JMM up, not allowing JMM to acclimatise to the weight and not making weight himself.
He had a chance to shine against Cotto but didnt beat him better than Pac when Cotto was shop worn from Pac beating him. FLoyd has to show he is no1 and he just isnt doing it, not grasping it.
None of this beg borrowing and stealing credit for floyd on a tecnicality, like Floyd is some kind of charity case needing help - like he beat Hatton first, and DLH nonsesne, and he beat Cotto at cottos weight garbage? 154 is Floyds weight just as much as it is cottos.
And fight more often as well, as the more you fight the more likely you will have a bad performance or off night. People mostly try ignore Pacs dominant wins, and the off nights once is while is what people concentrate on.

This is not so much a response to you Hugh because you are actually delusional, but I want bring up 2 things here:

1. I have never one time, NOT ONCE, gotten a legitimate reason why Pac had to bring Cotto down to 145 after Pac had already fought at a full 147. Not one time has someone been able to justify that to me.

2. Even if you hate everything about Floyd Mayweather and don't think his wins over DLH and Cotto were overly impressive, why does he never get ANY credit for going to weights they were more comfortable at and fighting both guys at 154?

[whirlwind]

I can't believe these people still want the part timer Mayweather to be no.1 even though he only fought 4 times in 5 years compared to other who risk their lives 10 times in the same 5 years.

[FeFist]

Sergio stopping people not in the top 50 p4p equates to nothing, as they came to fight.

People who fight Pac dont come to fight, they come not to get knocked out, that is their victory. Running away from Pac and initiating nothing, just trying to make Pac look bad. Well if you ran away from Sergio, Ward and in particular Floyd how bad would they look?

They wouldn't look bad because those fighters can cut off the ring, it is probably why the opposition running away is not so evident in their fights.

[IMDAZED]

At this point, who cares? Most people don't have him #1; he's lost two fights in a row and looked ****ty in his last three. Plus, not even his ardent fans believe he would beat Mayweather. BoxingScene is a day late and a dollar short.