ESPN's Dan Rafael: MAYWEATHER-Cotto Will "Blow Away" Pacquiao-Bradley

[check hook]

Well, Pacquiao is fighting Tim Bradley, who is a very good fighter but doesnt really have any fanbase.

Not to mention a popular attraction like Alvarez vs Mosley will not be on the undercard either, at least as far as I know.

I know you nutjobs like to make believe its not true, but the quality and draw of the opponent effects the amount of PPVs when a 'name' guy like Pac or Mayweather fights. Mosley may not have a loyal fanbase on his own, but he is definitely a 'name' opponent, one that would catch the attention of fans when he fights and get them interested.

Pac or Mayweather couldnt just go fight some nobody like Gabriel Rosado and expect to get over a million PPV buys...

Certainly does. That's why i like to compare apples with apples. In that scenario it's four versus one.

[IMDAZED]

1. Pacquiao was just becoming a PPV star.
2. He had some of the highest selling PPV's at 130 and 135, however those divisions are as watched at division such as WW, MW etc (amongst casual ppv buying fans).
3. Most everyone thought Pacquiao vs De La Hoya was a joke and a cherry pick

There are several other obvious reason....but those are the main ones.

How about you answer my question, since I was respectful enough to answer yours?

Your question is silly. Of course I'd rather see a real fight. I wasn't here defending Pacquiao-Mosley, and Pacquiao-Margarito like some people were on here, was I, Top Rank?

Second, your answers to my questions further underscore your exaggerated bias.

1. Mayweather was just becoming a PPV star.
2. His PPV's at 140 and 147 prior weren't exceptional--even in these divisions that are "more watched."
3. Most everyone thought Mayweather vs De La Hoya was a joke.

See how easy that was?

[Gino Ros]

In my opinion, Tim Bradley = Victor Ortiz in terms of current commercial penetration.

Except Ortiz didn't have a "natural" fanbase because he "appears" to be Latino, but Mexican fans do not embrace him.

The African-American fanbase is not monolithic... but they don't seem to have a dislike or opposition to Tim Bradley.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Mayweather vs Cotto vs ODLH vs Hatton vs mosley all outsold more than Manny in total revenue and total PPV buys. Please outline the reasons why each one did so????

Mayweather is an American, English speaking fighter. If he was outsold in PPV by a non-English speaking fighter in his own country, it'd be pretty embarrassing.

The level of effort Floyd puts in to developing his "persona" and acting like a tard on 24/7 helps too.

Pacquaio basically just gets in the ring and fights, that's his only real selling point and the numbers he does just off that are impressive. Impressive enough to warrant a 50/50 split if that is where this thread is going.

[BattlingNelson]

Well, Pacquiao is fighting Tim Bradley, who is a very good fighter but doesnt really have any fanbase.

Not to mention a popular attraction like Alvarez vs Mosley will not be on the undercard either, at least as far as I know.

I know you nutjobs like to make believe its not true, but the quality and draw of the opponent effects the amount of PPVs when a 'name' guy like Pac or Mayweather fights. Mosley may not have a loyal fanbase on his own, but he is definitely a 'name' opponent, one that would catch the attention of fans when he fights and get them interested.

Pac or Mayweather couldnt just go fight some nobody like Gabriel Rosado and expect to get over a million PPV buys...

Truth.

Fat Dan was just stating the obvious, but thats enough to make the floydstans bust a nut.

[boxing2106]

Well, Pacquiao is fighting Tim Bradley, who is a very good fighter but doesnt really have any fanbase.

Not to mention a popular attraction like Alvarez vs Mosley will not be on the undercard either, at least as far as I know.

I know you nutjobs like to make believe its not true, but the quality and draw of the opponent effects the amount of PPVs when a 'name' guy like Pac or Mayweather fights. Mosley may not have a loyal fanbase on his own, but he is definitely a 'name' opponent, one that would catch the attention of fans when he fights and get them interested.

Pac or Mayweather couldnt just go fight some nobody like Gabriel Rosado and expect to get over a million PPV buys...

I bet you Floyd would outsell pac with that guy aswell.

[4Corners]

Mayweather is an American, English speaking fighter. If he was outsold in PPV by a non-English speaking fighter in his own country, it'd be pretty embarrassing.

The level of effort Floyd puts in to developing his "persona" and acting like a tard on 24/7 helps too.

Pacquaio basically just gets in the ring and fights, that's his only real selling point and the numbers he does just off that are impressive. Impressive enough to warrant a 50/50 split if that is where this thread is going.

Mayweather sells moer than Pac, both sell a ton. The steepest the split should be is 55-45 Mayweather at the most, neither are going to budge.

Why do we even waste time talking about this anymore?????

[Dirk Diggler UK]

In my opinion, Tim Bradley = Victor Ortiz in terms of current commercial penetration.

No....just no.

[check hook]

No..? But less people are likely to pay or a fight that is believed to be a mismatch.

That was the public perception. Whereas the public perception for Mayweather-De La Hoya was that it was a pretty even fight. The fight to "save boxing". It had much more hype around it. And that's just one reason.

I know you don't think objectively on this subject though so Im probably wasting my time.

Objectivity is to take what we have and compare it. You like to get on your soapbox and chastise the "***** apologists" for all their reasons and justifications why Floyd did "this" or "that" in the past, and here you are doing the same regarding this issue.

The best and most objective measure is like for like opponents. In that regard it's 4 vs 1. You're being purely subjective when you speculate reasons as to why Manny was outsold with common opponents each and every time.

[Steak]

In my opinion, Tim Bradley = Victor Ortiz in terms of current commercial penetration.

Except Ortiz didn't have a "natural" fanbase because he "appears" to be Latino, but Mexican fans do not embrace him.

The African-American fanbase is not monolithic... but they don't seem to have a dislike or opposition to Tim Bradley.

The difference being that Mayweather was coming out of 'retirement' or a hiatus of some kind, which always stirs the pot. ie Tyson vs McNeely doing more than Tyson vs Bruno 2.

Ortiz also had an exciting fight with Berto previously, that usually brings attention.