Erik Morales getting SHUTOUT by "Zahir Raheem"

[HEZEKYHWH]

Mayweather could thrive in any era IMO...Pac would lose to tons of throwback fighters. Mayweather is closer to those you mentioned than pac is IMO.

Speaking of Leila Ali she said Mayweathers boxing skills are better than her fathers.

YEAH SHE DID SAY THAT, but you see when presented with good serious debating questions these clowns thrown in mayweather to skip out of the discussion. I never stated hopkins, mayweather pacquiao etc were not ATG.... That can be another debate. They are trying to skip out of this debate.

I asked them to prove MORALES WAS AN ATG.

IF YOU LOOK AT HIS CONTENTION HE HAS BASICALLY WON X2 OUT OF X4 TITLES THAT WERE VACANT.

HE WAS WHOOPED BY ZAHIR RAHEEM, PAC BEAT HIS ASS, BARERRA TOO.... I mean it speaks for itself!!!

These idiots think because one is in a good or a great fight, it makes them ATG....

[HEZEKYHWH]

as if any of those guys gives a **** hahahaha

lol, thats why it was so goddamn funny to me.....lol

[UglyPug]

Raheem was a damn good boxer/puncher. . . Very solid technician, with very good speed, and good pop. . . Almost every great boxer has his kryptonite. . . .

[turbotime]

ALL TIME? or just one of the greatest of this past era?

Can you name ten greater fighters from 122-130 who performed at that elite level? I don't know if I can.

[HEZEKYHWH]

ALL TIME? or just one of the greatest of this past era?

ATG stands for ALL TIME GREAT, so bro he's trying to say ATG. As I told him I know he will be in the HOF, but ATG??.... HE HASNT RESPONDED YET BECAUSE I trapped his JIM CORNETT LOOKIN' ASS!!!


JIM CORNETT He would smack your ass with that tennis racket!!!

[UglyPug]

This is exactly the reason is no secret.

SMH at saying Morales isn't an ATG.

It depends on what you define "all time great" as. . . I guess if being one of the top 10-15 boxers of your fistic era relegates to that status, then he is. . .

He's definitely a first ballot HOF "SHOO IN". . . But is he top 5 greatest of his era? I don't think so. . . I'd say he's somewhere in the 15th-10th percentile (meaning if you compiled a list of the best boxers from each fistic era, he'd only be better than 10-15% of them) of best boxers of all time. . I guess an easier way to say it would be is that he might be around the 85th best boxer of all time . . But it's just so subjective. . .

[Roman Moreno]

If thats what you got out of it then it really is past your bedtime...lol

MORALES WON VACANT TITLES, AND THE TITLE HE WON BACK IN APRIL LAST YEAR WAS A GIFT AS HE FOUGHT A GUY MY NEWBORN SON COULD WHOOP ASS.



IS THAT ATG??? ARE YOU COUNTING THAT ONE AS WELL?? I WONT EVEN FALL FOR THE BAIT AND TURN THIS INTO A PACQUIAO / MAYWEATHER THREAD... WRONG GUY LOL....

Forgot to tell you he beat Guty Espadas, Jr. the goddamn monster, I mean lets keep it real he did win the Vacant WBC Featherweight Championship, and after x1 defense morales won it from him.....

PAPER CHAMPION. THAT BELT IS MADE OUT OF.....WAIT FOR IT............


















IF THATS ALL TIME GREAT MATERIAL TO YOU THEN FINE, BUT IF YOU TAKE THOSE X2 VACANT BELTS AWAY HES ONLY A X2 WEIGHT CHAMP...

ZAB JUDAHS A X2 WEIGHT CHAMP (LIGHTWEIGHT/WELTERWEIGHT) IS HE AN ATG TOO??? LOL

Why worry so much about title. It has to do more with the fighters he faced. No credit for Cano, even though he is shot to pieces no credit for Cano. But, being shot to pieces and IMO being competitive against tough dudes in their prime like a Garcia and a Maidana it holds to his greatness.

You mentioned Guty Espadas Jr. And, laughing at the title that he won. But again it's not so much about the title but the fighter he fought. Why not mentioned that Espadas had a 13 fight winning streak against tough outs like a Luisito Ezpinosa, Alfred Kotey, Agapito Sanchez going into the Morales bout?

Why not mention while Morales was past prime. Not at his best weight-class beat good contenders at 130 like a Jesus Chavez and a Carlos Hernandez.

He beat the 122 Ring Champ Paulie Ayala who had a 9 fight winning streak against the likes of a Johnny Tapia, Johnny Bredahl, Bones Adams.

Morales started pro as a 16yr old. By 19 he was fighting tough dudes like Sanchez, by 21 he was fighting the champ in Daniel Zaragoza even though some say Zaragoza was past his prime. Zaragoza was going into the fight as a champ with an 11-0-1 record going into the Morales fight. With wins over McCullough and Tatsoyoshi.

Morales held wins over top contenders like a McCullough, In Jin Chi(in an underrated classic), Junior Jones.

He beat 2 ATG's in a Barrera and a Pacaquiao.

He beat Pac while he was past his prime. Already washed up. That's just credit to his greatness.

To say that this man is not an ATG is asinine. Dude is a legend. Faced adversity and came back like no other. Dude is legit.

[LeG00N]

It depends on what you define "all time great" as. . . I guess if being one of the top 10-15 boxers of your fistic era relegates to that status, then he is. . .

He's definitely a first ballot HOF "SHOO IN". . . But is he top 5 greatest of his era? I don't think so. . . I'd say he's somewhere in the 15th-10th percentile (meaning if you compiled a list of the best boxers from each fistic era, he'd only be better than 10-15% of them) of best boxers of all time. . . But it's just so subjective. . .

okay.....who are the 10-15 boxers greater than Morales this era?

[Roman Moreno]

Mayweather could thrive in any era IMO...Pac would lose to tons of throwback fighters. Mayweather is closer to those you mentioned than pac is IMO.

Speaking of Leila Ali she said Mayweathers boxing skills are better than her fathers.

No he is not. It is even debatable if Floyd is greater than Pac. I might give the edge to Pac but it's close. I'm not going to argue with anyone who thinks Floyd is greater. But, Floyd is no where near those guys level as greatness. And, when it's all said done I don't think he would reach it. He would be lucky to reach Whitaker level greatness.

ALL TIME? or just one of the greatest of this past era?

All time. Morales is an All Time great. To say he is not, it's borderline idiotic.

[UglyPug]

okay.....who are the 10-15 boxers greater than Morales this era?

Well where does this era start and begin? To make it simple, I'll just include all boxers who fought during the time his career began, up to present.


Mayweather, Pacquiao, Hopkins, Marquez, Lewis, Holyfield, Barrerra, Jones Jr., De La Hoya, Chavez Sr., James Toney, Shane Mosley, Pernell Whitaker, Felix Trinidad. . Morales definitely belongs somewhere near Trinidad/De La hoya. . . So yeah, he's around 8-12th best. . . He's ahead of guys like Winky Wright, and Shane Mosley. ..