Nothing against Garcia....but does Ortiz NEED to go to Roach to reach the next level?

[extracurRICular]

Nothing against Garcia....but does Ortiz NEED to go to Roach to reach the next level?

wachugot???????

[3L MatAt@N]

the problem isn't the trainers the problem is ortiz, when the going gets tough, ortiz will headbutt you or quit like a b!tch.

[Eaner0919]

and why Roach lol?

he and Naazim really are overated

[-MAKAVELLI-]

and why Roach lol?

he and Naazim really are overated

so he and Amir can spar...then someone will post it here and we finally get to see them go at it again

[Eaner0919]

so he and Amir can spar...then someone will post it here and we finally get to see them go at it again

how ignant of me

[MJ223]

and why Roach lol?

he and Naazim really are overated

Just wondering..... Who would u suggest E???

[Eaner0919]

Just wondering..... Who would u suggest E???

for Vic?

maybe a move to Joel Diaz or a Clemente Medina bring back a little firepower in him. Short of the Berto fight he's really been lacking

[gauze]

he should get with dan birmingham

[FeFist]

No when I look at Victor Ortiz I don't think ''What a technically flawed fighter'', I think of a fighter who could be great but lacks the mental strength. Zab Judah if you will.

[Barn]

the problem isn't the trainers the problem is ortiz, when the going gets tough, ortiz will headbutt you or quit like a b!tch.

Exactly. Ortiz needs to stop bottling if he wants to achieve anything of note.