Evander Holyfield.. are there ten heavyweights better than him

[D4thincarnation]

jack dempsey would refuse to fight him anyway

Dempsey was going to fight Wills, but didn't happen for some other reason.

[jesusraptor]

holyfields resume:

mike tyson x2 Post Jail
rid**** bowe Lost twice
larry holmes Old
george foreman Older
ray mercer
michael moorer Lost to Moorer
pinklon thomas

its still better than holmes, johnsons and dempseys resumes.

[jimmy1569]

The point of this thread was to show most of you's that Holyfield is a consensus top 10 alltime heavyweight & is now a borderline top 10 active heavyweight. If most of the top 10 active heavyweights are slated to get a crack at a Klitschko.. why can't one that has a cumulative resume much greater than any of the top 10 contenders (put together) that are out there vying for title shots?


Are we going to discriminate against age or are we going to let someone who is going to be determined & motivated fight a Klitschko for a change.. one who surely won't be intimidated of either because of the simple fact he's the only one out there still breathing boxing that can state his resume is greater than either brother's resume.. every fighter we've put in there with them in the past 7 or 8 yrs has been intimidated one way or the other... can you picture Holyfield intimidated by anyone? Let's stop being afraid & let's make it happen...

Holyfield is not finished yet.. so stop writing whack obituarie's that have no basis in reality... believe it or not.. Evander is the ONLY one even capable of beating a Klitschko right now that's active & we REFUSE to let him near one of the brother"s..

Are we really being logical... i think NOT.. we're being fearful of something that has not taken place whatsoever & that is Evander being beatdown by ANY fighter he's ever fought.. Let's make it happen & stop being afraid for someone who doesn't know the meaning of afraid.. so why are we defining it for him.

If anyone can say this is your average 50 yr old boxer... you're all full of it. Evander is practically the only heavyweight active that can even rival both brother's dedication to fitness & keeping in shape in & out of the ring... What other fighter's can you really say that about & mean it. Right off the bat... he's got 2 things that NEITHER heavyweight OUT THERE as an opponent for Klitschko has & that is a similar alltime top 10-20 heavyweight resume & similar physical shape... 2 things no OTHER heavy out there has.. factor in the experience that is more than both brother's... factor in he's faced TITLISTS


Almost as big as the bros in bowe.. lewis (5 fights) & bigger than the bros in Valuev.. That's 6 fights vs heavyweight champion giants... at most active fighters can say they faced VALUEV before fighting a Klitschko & he's the ONLY heavyweight in history that can sate he's got more heavyweight championships belts than Vitali Klitschko.. are we really going to discriminate against Holyfield when he's got less than 10 yrs more on this earth than Vitali does or less than 15 yrs more against Wladimir?


Think about that for a second... he more than protected himnself.. 2 yrs ago & got robbed of a title victory over someone who wass bigger than both bros by far... sure VALUEV is like a fly on the wall compared to what the brothers are capable of doing but at the time he was holding the same similar trinket of a belt (Wba) Wlad is holding today & most were scared for Holyfeld's life in that fight just as they were when he first faced Tyson..



when are we going to learn from thae past & stop predicting these scenarios for Evander as nothing in his history suggests it... all your projected fears all have nothing to do with Evander & everything to do with other fighters NOT named Evander getting sad beatdowns at the end of there careers.. Evander STILL to this day hasn't received anything close to the beatdown we've predicted for him since 1996.. so who's got the problem here.. really? You's or Evander... Has Evander even received a Berbick/Holmes beatdown like Ali had to endure Or has he even been remotley close to being ktfo sveral times unconscious like Roy Jones Jr?

[D4thincarnation]

The point of this thread was to show most of you's that Holyfield is a consensus top 10 alltime heavyweight & is now a borderline top 10 active heavyweight. If most of the top 10 active heavyweights are slated to get a crack at a Klitschko.. why can't one that has a cumulative resume much greater than any of the top 10 contenders (put together) that are out there vying for title shots?


Are we going to discriminate against age or are we going to let someone who is going to be determined & motivated fight a Klitschko for a change.. one who surely won't be intimidated of either because of the simple fact he's the only one out there still breathing boxing that can state his resume is greater than either brother's resume.. every fighter we've put in there with them in the past 7 or 8 yrs has been intimidated one way or the other... can you picture Holyfield intimidated by anyone? Let's stop being afraid & let's make it happen...

Holyfield is not finished yet.. so stop writing whack obituarie's that have no basis in reality... believe it or not.. Evander is the ONLY one even capable of beating a Klitschko right now that's active & we REFUSE to let him near one of the brother"s..

Are we really being logical... i think NOT.. we're being fearful of something that has not taken place whatsoever & that is Evander being beatdown by ANY fighter he's ever fought.. Let's make it happen & stop being afraid for someone who doesn't know the meaning of afraid.. so why are we defining it for him.

Hollyfield is nearly 50 and is well past his best and no amount of HGH can make him young again.

Yes we are going to discriminate against age, because we don't last forever and after 30 it is a constant battle to keep to the peak level of physicality, only becomes harder with each passing year.

If the Klitschko's wanted to face Holyfield they should have done it 10-15 years ago.

[turbotime]

jack johnson and larry holmes above evander holyfield resume wise? Surely you jest

holyfields resume:

mike tyson x2
rid**** bowe
larry holmes
george foreman
ray mercer
michael moorer
pinklon thomas

Going 1-4 with the best heavyweights of your era makes it hard for me to rank him over Holmes and Jack.

[Jedi Vader]

This is setting a new level for desperation.

Jimmy is clearly trying to big the current Holyfield up so if the Klits do fight and murder him, the Klitlickers can turn around and say their messiahs have finally beaten an ATG.

That is what this thread is all about.

[Superflo777]

This is setting a new level for desperation.

Jimmy is clearly trying to big the current Holyfield up so if the Klits do fight and murder him, the Klitlickers can turn around and say their messiahs have finally beaten an ATG.

That is what this thread is all about.

Holyfield is an ATG, like it or not.
And Hopkins is currently a champion at 46 years of age.

[Jedi Vader]

Holyfield is an ATG, like it or not.
And Hopkins is currently a champion at 46 years of age.

Of course Holyfield is an ATG. When did I suggest that he wasn't????

Now what is your point???

[jimmy1569]

This is setting a new level for desperation.

Jimmy is clearly trying to big the current Holyfield up so if the Klits do fight and murder him, the Klitlickers can turn around and say their messiahs have finally beaten an ATG.

That is what this thread is all about.

Lmao.... if only i were that deviant but thx for the compliment nonetheless. Nope.. i am as sincere as it gets. Evander Holyfield & Vitali Klitschko are my two favorite fighters. As far as beating an alltime great is concerned.. when you've ONLY had the opportunity to face one of them & sent them into permanent retirement while your only other opportunities left is to fight your brother or a 50 yr old alltime great.. i'd say it's not in the brother's control as to what alltime great you somehow perceive in that warped Vader mind of yours they seem to be ducking...

The object of this thread was to point out the ONLY available ALLtime great heavyweight matchup that is left in the division.. there's no other type of matchup of it's kind out there for at least a decade or two. I suggest we make it happen & everyone crying about the beating the old man will get.. should stfu & see what REALLY happens before they're so sure about there pre****tion.

[-2 Scrappy-]

No way in hell I feel he's so underrated. People have a bunch of excuses for the tyson fights but evander just flat out has his number no matter which tyson shows up. Bowe was a tremendous heavyweight their triology was epic. I feel he is def within the top 10 best hw ever more towards the middle.